my panel is back with me, catherine rampell, eugene daniels and tim o'brien. here? >> a lot of back. >> and forth. right. >> i think. >> you know, what. >> people should. >> really understand is that donald trump's kind. >> of. obsession with. >> tariffs, using. them as a cudgel, did not start when he got into the political sphere. it's something he believed as a businessman. he deeply believes. when you talk to his aides that it's a question of fairness. and now he's not just using it to try to, you know. as an economic tool. he's also. >> using it. >> to, to force. >> whether it's canada or. >> mexico, to do other. >> things, whether it comes to. >> immigration or whatever. i will say, though. that when you talk to. >> every. economic experts, we have some. >> of what right now. with you is they will tell you. that that is it is not going to be the case that the american people won't feel that pain. >> and that pitch, that pinch. >> that is something that everyone will say. the white house has heard that. but the president believes that at the end of the day

catherine rampell is joining us. she's an opinion columnist for the washington post. and catherine, i love reading you on all matters economic. this is a busy time for you to be. how do you even choose which which hunk of the madness are you going to give 800 words to? >> there is a lot to keep track of because not only do we have trade wars on seemingly all fronts, including with our close friends, we also have a big fight brewing over the tax code and the supposed offsets that will not include medicaid or snap or other things, obviously, according to republican lawmakers. but the math says otherwise. you also have the gutting of the administrative state. i've written a lot about the disappearance, the mysterious disappearance of publicly funded data sets on climate, on, you know, teens who are having suicidal ideation on bird flu. lots of that stuff is disappearing, too. and there are economic implications of that as well, because these public data sets are the foundation upon which businesses make decisions. consumers make decisions, parents make decisions about wh

. >> catherine rampell is. >> on blue sky and she's our first guest tonight. she's my favorite. >> great. >> she's my favorite economics writer. currently working. >> in an american newspaper. >> at the washington post. and boy, is there. >> a lot to cover. >> and the not. >> so boring. >> old world of economics and trade wars and stuff like that. it's actually. >> as i think i've. >> said before, it's. >> a really. >> exciting time to watch cnbc, which i. >> don't. >> i don't say every. >> day. >> but now, now i'm just telling you, i mean, i'm. >> back and forth to msnbc, but, you know, it's great. >> it's i will admit to watching more cnbc and like spending more time on bloomberg than, than i previously bloomberg president of the united states tries to set fire to the u.s. economy a new way every day. you need to talk to the people who are like, this is how the economy works. so and it's a special fire. >> it's especially. >> fun if you've watched cnbc in normal times, which i would call, say, the biden. >> administration. >> when the stock. >> market's goin

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. >> also with us, catherine. >> rampell, who we can now announce will officially be joining msnbc as. co host of the evening edition of the weekend on saturday and sunday. so first, welcome. congratulations, catherine. >> it's so. >> great to have. >> you as. >> part. >> of the family. eugene, we already had our. >> celebration. >> i think. >> last week. >> but really fun to. >> have you. >> both on with us. i'm going to get to you guys in just a moment, but let me start with you, frank. >> we just. >> saw this. >> big sell. >> off in the last 24 hours. >> how are. >> the markets doing this morning? some 30 minutes now into. >> trading later on. good morning to you. kind of a. >> mixed start to the trading day right. now. the s&p just slightly higher right now the dow down more than 100 points. the nasdaq coming off its worst day since 2022 bouncing back somewhat up just about a half a percent. but that certainly isn't easing the concerns about the stock. market that. >> has lost. >> and i want you to make sure you're hearing this number correctly. $4 trillion of. market value since

of the new york times editorial board, mara gay, an opinion columnist at the washington post, catherine rampellrine, your take on what we've been seeing over the past several weeks, culminating in the last two days of huge stock losses on wall street. >> it's just insane. i cannot fathom why trump is doing this, except for the fact that a he's in love with tariffs, he's a tariff man, and b worth reminding people that the two people who are egging trump on to wage trade wars against our friends and allies are people on behalf of the steel industry, are people who used to work for the steel industry. the u.s. trade representative represented cleveland-cliffs, a major steel company in the united states. peter navarro, trump's trade guru, had previously had a film called death by china sponsored by nucor, another major steel company. so he's getting bad advice, i guess even if he got good advice, i'm not sure he would follow it. but clearly markets are very unhappy with how things are going as they should be. >> so, catherine, first of all, congratulations. >> as well. but let's take that big pictu

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