let's discuss this now with catherine stewart. she's a reporter who specializes and extremism. the book the power worshippers, inside the dangerous rise of religious nationalism. catherine, great to see you, great to have you here. lucky for us. i wanted to get your reaction to what is happening in both brazil and italy. it seems, as i was saying there, both playing on a similar set of furious. it has to be a major cause of concern. >> it's interesting what's happening in brazil. bolsonaro threatening to disrespect the consequences in an election he doesn't like. this is absolutely what trump did by spreading election lies and seeking to undermine the electoral process. but this is very characteristic of authoritarian leaders. it's not the only thing the men have been common. they both exploited religion for political purposes. confusing -- religious nationalist rhetoric to consolidate their power. and so, religious nationalists observe very similar means of trying to consolidate authoritarian power. they attacked the electoral system, they attacked the courts, they attack the