we're not going to make it about hate. >> what do you want people to know about catherine violet? one of the things i know i heard you say is that she loved animals. and you talked about looking out the window and seeing her with butterflies, like the first day of spring. >> that's it, she loved animals. she loved every animal, small or large. not only did she love animals, she loved people. she loved her family, she loved her teachers. there was just so much love with catherine. you know, that's how we remember catherine, all the love she gave us and our family and the animals. >> she just -- she would get the animals, and she would put them all around her. if they had clothes on -- build-a-bear was a debacle because everyone would say get the clothes for the bears, and she wouldn't want them because she loved the animals in their truest form. i think it was just the innocence of her. she would surround herself with her animals. we would have to, let's find catherine. but in spring, i will never forget it, she would find a butterfly and stop short and she would run and get her ne