, in a very catholic home. the house speaker just yesterday put out a message to members and to the public saying here's what i know about the speech. it will be in english. the pope won't be using a teleprompter. that's all i'm concerned about now. >> thank you. you are

me with thetches catholic poles. i'm a 53-year-old roman catholic. i was less and raced to the top well. -- blessed and raised to be taught well. the problem with the poll in the catholic church is that catholics are not learning what our religion actually is. i know. i have a lot of contemporaries who do not understand what the magisterium is. who do not understand what doctrine is and the difference. i know catholics who literally think that when the pope says something that it represents dogma. there is a lot of education missing, which my parents and your parents got. my mother knew backwards and forwards our religion. the other thing i would like to address because you hit it on the head because as soon as i heard the list that president obama gathered, i think he's going to be sorely surprised at how our holy father handles this. not understanding anything about our religion or the catholic church, he somehow thinks he is going to trip up our pope. when he does not understand our religion accepts understand -- understanding left. we do not chan

we can't attest to how many the crowd are catholic or non-catholic, but this is a very warm reception and enthusiastic reception. it's almost an understatement to say that, as we makes that left turn towards the east side of the white house complex, perhaps the last leg of this parade. and you see the crowds in the background waving, almost unbridled enthusiasm, stephanie. >> previous papal visits have always drawn large crowds. and i remember these rock star receptions for john paul ii, but i want to ask you this, he -- this pope been compared to bernie sanders in some ways, because he is sort of seen as an outsider. >> studies and scholars within the church and without the church have identified it as a problem that the church is having. the church is skewing older. there are very few younger generation people coming into the church. church attendance is declining. church finances are declining. so what you have here is a pope who is trying to get back to the church's roots if you will of compassion and deemphasizing the social strictures, the moral underpinnings that have been stre

let's first talk about the catholic church and what this represents for catholic america.his is a huge visit, as you said. pope francis has a packed schedule. not only is he talking to congress, he is talking to the u.n., he is going to a prison. he is expected to meet with immigrants, the homeless. moment.be moment, after we predict a lot of attention drawn to him. he has been a very popular hope. not everyone agrees with him on every issue, but he is very popular. host: let me share with our audience part of what is written "washingtoning's post." largely -- thees 's focus is largely on the areas where there's more agreement among many american catholics. a poll finding that the catholics who attend mass frequently -- infrequently are more likely to sense a change in church policies. guest: what we understand is catholics who attend mass on a regular basis, they tend to already hold similar views as church teachings. more likely to oppose abortion, same-sex marriage. it is those who are either churchfrom the catholic or interested in the catholic church, who are less lik

now i'm a catholic, y'all are catholics. but i'm also an american.n between being an american and being a catholic at the same time? >> proud. no tension. >> stephen: no tension? really because -- >> especially today. >> stephen: because i'm happy that he's here am but americans, americans have this sort of spirit of individuality, and we get to do anything we want. and the catholic church has the spirit of ah, not really. (laughter) do you know what i mean? i feel that tension all the time. >> american catholics do whatever they want. >> stephen: that's true. can you do whatever you want and still be a catholic, an crew-- andrew? >> no, of course not. >> stephen: you're gay. you're gay, spoiler. (laughter) >> stephen: spoiler alert. that's against the rules, my friend. because you're an openly gay catholic man or openly catholic gay man, i'm sure both of those are not easy. do you feel a tension between your sexual orientation and your faith? >> my answer to that is when people ask me how can you be openly gay and catholic at the same time is to say

the catholic case against liberalism. it highlighted the differences between libertarian thought and social thought. one of my favorite quotes is from highest the 11th. -- pius the 11th. so also the right ordering of economic life cannot be left to free competition of forces. for from this source, as from a poison to spring, have individual economic thinking. we could go back further to the gospel in which the blessed virgin mary's has -- he has filled the hungry with good things in the rich he has sent away empty. what is the difference with pope francis? i would submit that he is quite blunt. you cannot spin him. and benedict the 16th were often interpreted. i think they brought a distorting lens to what those two great hopes had to say. with pope francis there is no need to interpret him. there is nothing confusing about it. you can go and talk to some immigrant workers who work picking the tomatoes that we will have with our salad at lunch. they are not confused by pope francis. the people leveling that charge do not

if you want to be a catholic, in this area, use authentically catholic resources for economic freedom based upon our empirical knowledge and key theoretical insight that and not dependent on ideology. division of labor, these sorts of thing, subjective theory of value versus labor theory value, these are in service run from economic study but not dependent on any particular ideology. >> in the back. just one second. >> the man with the baby. >> i was wondering how you would define economic freedom and if that concept exists anywhere in catholic social teaching and the people and cyclicals and formal documents. >> is this for anyone? >> no. i.t. don't think so. the passage i referred to, the elite reference to the role of the market in lifting billions of people out of poverty, markets in china, but there is not a lot of reference. there's a lot of reference to freedom but it is important to realize freedom that is discussed in catholic teaching is not not merely negative freedom from. it is freedom for, what are called freedom for excellence and developing our purpose and the end to w

but the catholic doesn't need rand. there's plenty of ways to make the case for economic without that. i would argue we don't want to do that. if you want to be a catholic that is sort of in this area is use authentically catholic resources and develop the case for economic freedom based upon our empirical knowledge and key insights that are not dependent on ideologies. division of labor, these sorts of things. subjective theory of value versus the labor theory value, these are insights drawn from economic study but they're not dependent on any particular ideology. marian: in the back. just one second. >> the man with the baby. >> i was wondering how you would define economic freedom and if that concept exists anywhere in the papal and cyclicals and formal documents? jay: is this for anyone? >> no. jay: the passage i referred to in a 2005 incyclical by benedict xvi, the only case there is a reference so far as i know in a papal incyclical to the role of -- i forget if he uses the market or freedom, lifting billions out

reformed catholic, or ask catholic that was back to the catholic church under pope francis.ason is because he preaches what a true christian, and all-inclusive laws and to emily jesus christ before, catholics, in my experience, and i was a true catholic and i stayed married because i did not want to be excommunicated from the church under 26 years of abuse, etc.. catholicism has been exclusive and condemnation. pope francis has become inclusive and to emulate jesus. host: are there specific issues than that she would give us examples of how pope francis approaches being a true christian? caller: for example, gave people. we are not to judge. , in myholicism experience, my mother and father mother wasd and my excommunicated. who are we to judge? there's the difference. -- this is the pump of the catholic religion. love and grace of jesus christ, which is a true christian. religion andactice be an all-inclusive christian because you pick and choose as a catholic what you want to believe in. we have been conditioned throughout the catholic lifetime. the preaching, i would go to

>> so the catholic church has never taught a married man cannot be a priest the way the catholic churchaught that a woman cannot be a priest. so this is called a disciplinary issue and think of it as an administrative issue so therefore the there is reform on the structure of the catholic clergy we will see a broadening of married straight priests before we see women priests. >> so much of what we are talking about this morning has been left out thus far in the pope's speech at the white house and patrick thank you, one of the issues the pope also did not talk about in the speech this morning which he has commented on previously is his unapologetic criticism of capitalism and randall pinkston joins us with how the pope's position against extreme wealth and equality may be received during the visit to the richest country in the world the united states. >> if he is not speaking about it here he has spoken about it before and the pope is trying to practice what he preaches refusing to live in a mansion, opting for modest transportation instead of limousine like the fiatt this morning and s

this is very important for catholics to hear because catholics are such a force on the supreme court, in the congress, in the state legislatures. we have arrived and politically, it makes no sense for catholics to forget the centrality of their faith or the teachings of social justice, not the left or right but ther moral core of caring for everyone. >> paul valalee, the largest group in the united states, by far, is pope francis also visiting a battered church, more people heading for exits than being baptized or received into the church as converts? >> part of that is true, but is he speaking spanish to those, the language he's most comfortable with. but francis is not concerned with the institutional church. somebody asked me the other day is he about putting butts on seats, and he's not. he's into getting the gospel into the world. if the church isn't that, it's an obstacle then he wants to reform it, and he's bringing changes throughout the whole raft of the different departments of the vatican. but the key approach is this idea that the church should be like a field hospital whe

yes, it's catholic university. a celebration with thousands of priests, 3500 going through the seminary and men and women novembices within the chu. but thousands of people here many of them catholics to be blessed by the pope, among the greatest things to happen to them. it's about to happen in just moments. >> reporter: where is pope francis right now? he's leaving the embassy for the vatican here. he was resting obviously necessary, 78 years old, huge schedule. big moment on the south lawn this morning. really hot, not as hot as cuba but hot. he's making his way here. he's not far away. when he comes we'll show it to you. let's bring in john allen, our expert for all things pope and vatican related. john, you've written about this pope. you know him well. you were with me tutoring me, mentoring me during the conclave when he was being picked. when he was, you said, this is a man they believe can restore the faith in the church among the faithful. what are we seeing here that proves that point? >> well, chris, ju

patrick to catholic charities. this is expected to bring in about 500 clients, homeless people, poor people, for whom the catholic charities serves. the pope will not only serve individuals, but have lunch with them, which goes back to his original message to congress and to the people who gather at st. patrick. >> live there under the tent right now. they started to serve that lunch of chicken and pasta salad? >> not just yet, barbara. a look behind me here. you'll see the door open. this is a door of catholic charities and any moment now we expect the pope to come out. under this tent, several hundred clients here to have lunch with the pope. he talked to the congress but he's going to have lunch with the poor people here in washington. he just talked to some of the clients inside st. patrick. he talked about how there's no moral excuse for not having housing. he asked the people inside to pray with him, and now it looks like we have a false start. the door closes. it reopens. bishop is out and it closes again. t

i am a catholic. my family have been catholics as far back as i can remember. i am raising my children through ctholic school. at this point i'm very -- i do don't know if the right word is confused. but confused at what catholics are expected to do. to i want the pope to -- i f understand climate change. to sa i do think we need to take care of this planet.our however, i need him to speak upg on how we as parents are to teach our children now about the gay movement. i believe that we need to respect love, embrace them, but how do we tell our children that our beliefs that this act of homosexuality is wrong, it's a r sin? the pope needs to clearly definn for us how do we teach our est: children this. how do we go on from here? >> well, the pope is fairly clear about this. he thinks that gay people shoulp be welcomed into the church, that their civil rights should be respected, their human rights should be respected. people should be warm and embracing of them. and that they should be allowed to have civil unions but he doesn't think they should be allowed to ca

specifically, the campus of catholic university, the catholic yurnt of america. as you can see, most importantly for our purposes, anne thompson covering the pope's trip all along. tell us what we're about to witness there, the signature event of the time while we're on the air. >> reporter: it is. and it's signature event of the day, a house eric first, a first time a saint has ever been canonized on u.s. soil. and it will happen during the mass which begins at 4:15 eastern time here. 25,000 people are expected including 3 supreme court justices and republican presidential candidate jeb bush and his wife. the person who's going to be canonized made a saint is father junipero -- i apologize for pronunciation but father -- excuse me, junipero serra. he is a franciscan priest who worked in california in the late 1700s. he founded missions that became the major cities of california. but his canonization is very controversial because native americans say he abused their ancestors. he is accused of using corporal punishment on the male native americans while he was tr

i was raised catholic, my uncle is still a roman catholic priest. i was a big fan, and still am, ronald john paul ii, reagan, and margaret thatcher. they were conservatives, anti-marxist, an anti-communist. we have gone from a president who stood against communism around the world, against the redistribution of wealth, and marxism, and the pope that did the same thing, pope john paul the second. those men, although they were not responsible for the fall of the soviet union, they were instrumental in causing that. , a, we have a leftist pope marxist, coming out of south america. that is normal for them down there. that is their ideology. i don't think there will be much change in public policy by the pope. .n the united states the left will embrace what they find attractive -- climate change, higher taxes on the wealthy, bashing them. it is funny to watch his comments in line with president obama. the right will embrace the antiabortion. it will be the same old, same old. i'm not a big fan of his because i think he is a leftist. thanks. host: thank y

conference of catholic bishop offices right outside catholic university in washington, d.c. in that fiat he's driving around in. there he transferred over to a popemobile over to the basilica from the offices. father, i'm sure people are awfully excited there in washington to see him. >> people are terribly excited to see this pope. i think one of the reasons they find him so attractive is he's the real deal. he practices what he preaches. he talks the talk and walks the walk. he's not like your typical celebrity who's totally self-centered and selling himself. this is a man selling jesus, who is selling the gospel. when he's with other people, it's not all about him. it's about the people that are around him. it's about the sick, the poor, the children. this is a very unusual celebrity and i think this is why people like him so much. >> your thoughts, patrick. >> absolutely. earlier today when he did the parade around the white house, there was a little girl that somehow broke free from the barriers and came up to his, and the secret service agents immediately leapt on her

yesterday, the catholic church on the campus of catholic university. then the pope will meet briefly with members of the house and senate leadership. the ticket inside the house chamber is the most sought after ticket. each member of congress allowed to bring one guest. thousands lined the west front of the was capital or the pope assembled.o those yesterday he traveled from his residence to the white house for what was a state arrivals are monday by the president. it was a day of pageantry. here is how a double it on the south lawn of the white house as a president and first lady welcomed pope francis. [cheers and applause] [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen, the national anthem of the holy sea followed by the national anthem of the united states. >> present arms. ♪ ♪ ♪ {the national anthem] [applause] ♪ ♪ >> present arms. mr. president, this concludes the honors. >> good morning. [applause] what a beautiful day the lord has made. holy father, on behalf of michelle and myself, welcome to the white house. [applause] i should explain our backyard is not

i'm surrounded by two catholics. david, you were just glowing as you watched him. >> you look down, and you can see, within the enclosed area, they're just running the crowds from one part to another, and then back again. as you mentioned, he makes that second lap. you can see the thrill on their faces, people are wiping their eyes. >> reporter: how do you feel? >> i've been blessed to go to rome three times. there's something so beautiful about being a catholic, seeing the vatican and being there, seeing the majesty. but there's nothing like a home game. to see him here amongst the crowd, monsignor, you and i exchanging glances there, what a powerful scene. >> absolutely. i've been privileged, as you have been, to be at several papal events in the past. and it always sends a chill up my spine. you can feel it, it's palpable, like electricity in the air. he is a man, yes, and a remarkable man certainly. but in a way he is the successor to st. peter, the first pope. and when people reach out to him and respond to him,

catholic church. from 1981 to 1984, he was the assistant to the solicitor general of the united states and he was elected to the american law institute in 1982. please welcome john. [applause] john: thank you very much. thanks for having me down here. i have never been to the cato institute. i'm surprised. i have so many friends who work here. so let me begin with a little quiz. i want you to answer mentally the following three questions. who said this? first, you're not making a gift of what is yours to the poor man but you you are giving him back what is his? the earth belongs to everyone not to the rich. his was pope paul the sixth. equally worrying is the ecological question, man consumes the earth, he's embarked upon a senseless destruction of the natural environment. his is st. john paul ii. last, how can we quen winly teach the importance of concern troubled humanings if we fail to protect the human embryo even when it's presence is uncomfortable. this is pope francis. much of what pope francis

he is a catholic priest. what the church does at holy mass, what the church does at the eucharist is what makes sense of everything else. without this we are simply another nongovernmental organization. pope has said that. he doesn't want the church to simply be another ngo. >> what is happening here at madison square garden makes sense of the whole business, the service, outreach, dialogue with other world religions. it all comes out of this celebration of the eucharist which the second vatican council called the source and summit of the church's life. ♪ >> deliver us lord, we pray. grant peace in our days that by the help of the mercy we may be always free from sin and safe from all the stress as we await the blessed hope and the coming of our savior jesus christ. ♪ >> jesus christ you said to your apostles, peace i leave you, my peace i give you. look not on our sins, but on the faith of your church. grant her peace and unity in accordance with your will who lives and reigns forever and ever. >> amen. >> t

it's a mistake to think that catholic social teaching equals some detailed catholic political policy. details how a it tax system should be put together or how immigration policy should be put together. it provides a set of principles that i would argue provide a lens for thinking through these issues. catholicot provide a political position. they differ and disagree on a different political topics. how pope john paul ii put it. he said the social doctrine is not a way between marxist collectivism. it constitutes a category of its own. it does not mean that the principles, they are sealed from economic concern. what it means is they provide a which moral categories you ought to reflect on. person,ity of the human the destination of good, good, you, the common ought to bring these categories to questions. it's not going to answer every single question. that's a prudential question based upon your analysis and empiricals based upon details as far as you understand them. put it veryt nicely. pope, he put it this.ay for i take it's not a third way. it is not irrelevant to moral questions.

catholic church. from 1981 to '84 was the assist ant to the solicitor general of the united states and he was elected to the american law institute in 1982. please welcome john garvey. >> thank you for having me down here. i've never been to the cato institute. i'm surprised. i have so many friends who work here. let me begin with a little quiz i want you to answer mentally the following three questions. who said this? first, you're not making a gift of what is yours to the poor man, but you are giving him back what is his. the earth belongs to everyone not to the rich. this was pope paul vi quoting saint ambrose. here's another. equally worrying is the ecological question, man consumes the resources of the earth in an excessive and disordered way. he's embarked upon a senseless destruction of the natural environment. this is john paul ii. last, how can we genuinely teach the importance of concern for other vulnerable beings however troublesome or inconvenient if we fail to protect a human embryo even

former catholics are more likely to look upon pope francis favorably than are current catholics. john. >> what's the u.s. church doing to reverse the trends? >> it begins at the local level. i think a recognition of following pope francis' lead. a lot of people are talking about a divide between the church. no one is ready to call is a scism just yet but there's a backlash for the clergy and laty what he's doing. so there's certainly a challenge that lies before this pope. >> all right. mike, good to see you. we'll talk a little later. >>> up next, the pope and climate change. it's been a big part of his papacy, and he's expected to talk about it this week. why some politicians aren't happy. >>> plus, immigration, 100 women and 100 miles walk to washington to bring their message to the pope. >> there's a line of police advancing toward the crowd here. >> ferguson: city under siege. >> it isn't easy to talk openly on this base. >> and america's war workers. >> it's human trafficking. >> watch these and other episodes online now at aljazeera.com/faultlines. >>> pope francis has lan

the first catholic vice president.represented in government and a lot will be present at that joint meeting at congress tomorrow morning. >> our panel will stay with me including dilya gal llaghergall. we'll take a quick break with an incredible day here in washington during the pope's visit to the united states. the human foot has always been good at... it's unleashing great power. the is performance line just got a power boost. introducing the lexus is 200 turbo and is 300 awd v6. the is line has never been... more powerful. once driven, there's no going back. when heartburn comes creeping up on you. fight back with relief so smooth and fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. tum-tum-tum-tum-tums smoothies, only from tums. who knows, one of these kids just might be the one. to clean the oceans, to start a movement, or lead a country. it may not be obvious yet, but one of these kids is going to change the world. we just need to make sure sh

where they grappled with how to make the catholic message, or the catholic church more user friendlynd of the short version. >> the changes brought by vatican 2 were first felt on superficial matters, like meat on friday and the habits of nuns. if you were walking down the street and wearing a habit, i would know you were a catholic nun. but if i see you now, i don't see that immediately. >> not in the dress. but if you were to trip and fall and i picked you up -- >> that might be true. >> you might want to -- >> does that bother you, that you don't have the same recognition? >> we should give the same honor to everyone. i don't want to be treated special. >> after vatican 2, the sisters, along with a large majority of american nuns, voted to remove their habits, and shed other traditions as well. what did vatican 2 mean to the marinal sisters? >> it was fantastic. we gradually got out of the more traditional works that we were in. such as schools and hospitals. and went to other places. went more on the margins of society, where people hadn't been before. i don't mean to be grandios

but the catholic doesn't need rand. there's plenty of ways to make the case for economic without that. i would argue we don't want to do that. if you want to be a catholic that is sort of in this area is use authentically catholic resources and develop the case for economic freedom based upon our empirical knowledge and key insights that are not dependent on ideologies. division of labor, these sorts of things. subjective theory of value versus the labor theory value, these are insights drawn from economic study but they're not dependent on any particular ideology. marian: in the back. just one second. >> the man with the baby. >> i was wondering how you would define economic freedom and if that concept exists anywhere in the papal and cyclicals and formal documents? jay: is this for anyone? >> no. jay: the passage i referred to in a 2005 incyclical by benedict xvi, the only case there is a reference so far as i know in a papal incyclical to the role of -- i forget if he uses the market or freedom, lifting billions out

than catholics? [laughter] i said, maybe it is because he reminds some people of jesus. thanks. >> your first book was about a biographer of st. francis. i was wondering, what would you what would he think of pope francis. >> the question is, i am a big chester tin fan what would he think about pope francis. while he would love him. what is not to love. the thing is, chester sent although he has some bad views especially on jews, he was a great democrat. he said, democracy is like blowing your nose. you may not do it very well but you have to do it yourself. [laughter] i think he would recognize the democratic spirit of pup francis who wants to be with the people, out there with them. he says get out of your rectory's. one of the reasons that hard feelings came up in the jesuit order is that he took a couple of people who are working there because he felt they were endangered. many jesuits thought he and support them enough. when he became archbishop he would take the bus and go to the slums and say

as catholic. reduction in priests in the last 30 years. how much of the mission is to recruit and have an impact on the catholic population? we have been seriously divided. dividedve been including the center of catholic sisters. i have met many people who used to be catholic. i'm sort of catholic, but don't go to church so much. i kind of liked catholic before. but they find themselves nourished by his pastoral approach. there is room for everyone. we can have disagreements, sit at the table and be faithful. we will see if this results in a success or not. his agenda is to deal with our divisions and heal those, then we might have changed. >> we have not talked about his views on capitalism, income inequality. that unsettled some members of your party, doesn't it? >> it does, and does me. the talk he gave flying back to rome after he left south america , he issued a pretty stinging indictment of the capitalist business model. it was totally centered on profit, at total expense of the poor. >> the

you have seen our catholic schools.in the most important and powerful act we can do, the holy sacrifice of the mass. here -- [ applause ] >> here you see, papa francesco, our religious leaders and brothers, our deacons, our priests, our bishops -- [ applause ] our organizations, our ministries, our interreligious neighbors, so many benefactors and civic leaders, god's faithful people. it's so radiant on an evening such as this, is it not, my brothers and sisters, that god -- [ applause ] it is so evidently radiant that god is our father, that jesus is our lord, our saviour, our older brother, that mary is our mother, that saints -- that saints like the jesuit north american martyrs, saint mary ann cope, st. patrick are our relatives. [ applause ] it is so dazzling evident this evening that the church is our family and you are holy father. thanks for visiting us, your family. [ applause ] [ applause ] [ applause ] [ applause ] >> the lord will be with you. this is in the name of the lord. >> hear our prayer. >> in the na

some catholics do that. others say i know my life is calls for being in a loving relationship. >> the parish might have the best intentions in mind. the national director of priests for life is concerned that the church needs to make clear that it's teachings are through word and action. >> they might in their mind saying yes. we have all of the church's teaches but we want to reach out to these people to let them know they're welcome here as well. now, my problem is that you have a responsibility when you avoid scandal. what scandal means is that i raise now a doubt in the minds of my people about what the church is teaching. >> the church will open its doors but it cannot give the impression it condones any sin. >> we're not going to apologize for saying they're at odds with the teaching of the church. they're coming to a community which believes that marriage is between one man and one woman. it is not up to us to change. that i am convinced people are taking this and running with it in the wrong directio

catholics are walking away from the church. their very lowest in generations of total americans, 21% or 22% now identify as catholic. this is an individual who in pope francis, who is breaking from the dogmatic strick emphasis on the social strictures of the church and emphasizing the compassionate nature of the church, something that the pope has insisted as recently as yesterday, speaking to reporters on his way to havana of church doctrine. he is emphasizing a different part than we've heard over the past 10 years or so with predecessors. >> this pope has had resonance in this country and beyond. let's go to some of the gathered masses waiting to catch any possible glimpse of the pope. we know that the motorcade is on its way to the white house. what are people around you saying, what his the atmosphere like? >> well, as mike just said, it's a picture-perfect day here in washington, d.c., under blue skies, bright sunshine and there's a cool breeze here, so really perfect conditions for a parade. people are really excited her

or liberal catholic? >> i think so. >> what makes him so different from the rest? what is it about his makeup that puts him in the mindset. >> i'm a little bias because i'm a jesuit. i think that's part of it. they were just different people. john paul is a philosopher. and francis is more of a pastor. he is, to use that great american virtue a very down-to-earth person. >> but the catholic church has been going through a revolution since pope john xxiii, and it's been a fight, and the church has lost a lot of catholics because of that fight. do you think those catholics come back because of this pope or do you lose them? >> i don't think chits have left because of the council, but i'd say secularization in general. people have told me that they are, in fact, are coming back. >> one of the concerns has been women, especially nuns who do the work of god, and often aren't recognized for it, and have no role in the leadership of the church. do you expect that to change under this pope as well? >> well, he's

the catholics in the united states make up 8% of 1.2 billion catholics worldwide.here are three million fewer catholics than in 2007. it's down from 23.9% in 2007 to 20.8% here in 2015. there's 13% former catholics. for every convert, six leave the church. this is stable compared to .ther religions yesterday, it was noted that the catholic church has lost members of all ages, say they have been alienated by the sexual abuse scandals, the exclusion of married men and women, birth control, and the communion to catholics who have divorced and remarried without an annulment. two decades ago, about one of every four americans that identified as catholic say it is about one of every five, part of a communion to catholics who have divorced and remarried without an annulment. two decades ago, about one of every four americans that identified as catholic say it is about one of every five, part of a broader trend. it would be the nation's second largest outranked only by the catholic church itself. caller: good morning. i probably should have written down some notes, because

in itsin its essence that is not the christian faith, not the catholic faith that we teach and catholicwe are made ultimately for happiness in this life, even as we struggle with conversion, sinfulness, but we are promised through as the end of the struggle and conversion a life of happiness in god, and a child sharing in god's happiness which even though we receive a foretaste. happiness, joy is the end, the purpose of our life, the purpose of the commandments, all of the teachings of the church. sometimes we are instructed us christians and catholics to say no to something in order that we can say a greater yes to is true, good, beautiful, love god and our neighbor in a joyful and generous spirit. david: i'm wondering, you see the kids go to catholic school, what impressed us was that a lot of the kids, kids, as many as half or not catholic. they were minority children whose parents cared so much that they were willing to spend half of their disposable income in order to get there kids to a good school. that was the only option they had because public school was not considered to be a

some catholics do that. others say i know my life is calls for being in a loving relationship. >> the parish might have the best intentions in mind. the national director of priests for life is concerned that the church needs to make clear that it's teachings are through word and action. >> they might in their mind saying yes. we have all of the church's teaches but we want to reach out to these people to let them know they're welcome here as well. now, my problem is that you have a responsibility when you avoid scandal. what scandal means is that i raise now a doubt in the minds of my people about what the church is teaching. >> the church will open its doors but it cannot give the impression it condones any sin. >> we're not going to apologize for saying they're at odds with the teaching of the church. they're coming to a community which believes that marriage is between one man and one woman. it is not up to us to change. that i am convinced people are taking this and running with it in the wrong directio

there are so many people that i have spoken to that are not catholic saying i'm not catholic, i don't practice, but he has touched me, he is actually speaking to me in a way i have not heard a religious leader speak to me before. >> professor again for non-catholics and our audience where are we in the mass? >> just sang the alleluia, a joyful moment, everyone is rising, talked about pope francis talking about joy, it's time to read the gospels, we have heard in the literature jirk the word from the old testimony, the new testament, the gospel, followed by the homily. ♪ ♪ [ chantisinging prayer ] ♪ [ singing prayer ] >> professor, the pope is about to do the reading? >> the word of god. yes, the -- to spread the word of god, which he has talked about in connection to the saint, about bringing the word of god's people, he speaks -- this is a catholic mass, particular resonance to catholics, but remember, he says he speaks to all people of goodwill. he used that today in his white house address and how you bring the word of god to people who don't know it or don't understand it. i think

, 1.2 billion catholics around the world.hen he speaks particularly in a venue like this people are listening. >> yeah, absolutely, mike, great point and mike is live for us at the white house and back to you in a second but i want to talk a little more about this sort of nexus between popes and presidents and, you know, awareness of pope francis clearly knowing who his audience was this morning when he spoke and what the impact actually is. >> absolutely so pope francis was delivering a spiritual message in a secular space and talking to secular political leaders just as he will be doing tomorrow in fronts of congress. one of the things we saw as a contrast between the president's approach and the pope's approach is both of them are talking about the same matters like climate change but one is grounding that in god's creation and in a theology of creation first and for most. for the president he certainly talks about the earth being the lord's or god's and so on and so forth but his priority is in the nitty-gritty of politic

as well as martha hennessy, catholic worker.e will talk more about that, a volunteer at the maryhouse catholic worker in new york. granddaughter of dorothy day, who is in the first phase of beatification of the road to sainthood. we will be back in a minute. ♪ [music break] amy: "ordain a lady." this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. with nermeenan shaikh. our guest as we talk about this historic trip of the pope, his first ever, arginine -- argentinian pope francis. martha hennessy was arrested janice sevre-duszynska was arrested yesterday protesting. we're also joined by robert ellsberg, edited and published selected writings by dorothy day, as well as her diaries and letters. editor and publisher of orbis books. it is the american imprint of the maryknoll order. us,martha hennessy is with the granddaughter of dorothy day and volunteers at very house catholic worker in new york. she's been fasting and praying and holding a vigil at the united nations since tuesday evening. we welcome you all to dem

well non-catholics. -- well-known catholics.is address was clearly calibrated for his audience which welcomed him with an excitement and warmth unusual in the capital. his rhetoric was softened. host: the wall street journal opines on their editorial page about the pope's visit. the pope in washington. the pope's call to a common , and theis much-needed most striking word in that passage is north. the latin american pope acknowledging migrants are moving north to the u.s., not the other way around. this is the same united states which practices the capitalist practices that the pope has asked our. host: call (202) 748-8000, democrats. republicans, call (202) 748-8001 . independents, call (202) 748-8002. if you would like to send a text 02-717-9684. here's a message from the pope. [video clip] francis: i call for the effort to redirect our steps the effective environmental effects caused by human activity. i'm convinced we can make a difference, i'm sure. [applause] pope francis: i have no doubt and thisunited states congress hav

. >> this is the first catholic cathedral in the united states. every catholic church throughout the united states are all daughters of this church. >> "america tonight"s adam may on the baltimore beauty hidden by history but ressor ected for the faithful. down to earth. is this what the pope is talking about. >> he has no choice but to speak out on that. >> in the heart of coal country, what does it mean when the pope thinks of heaven and earth? >> thank you for joining us, i'm joie chen. before he stepped out for an historic first, a pope before a joint session of congress, the leader of the 1.2 billion catholics made clear his views on threats to the environment. in the capital hill address, pope francis pushed lawmakers harder to face up to the reality of global warming. it was not an easy conversation. for catholics convicted to activism, the pope marked a turn point for the faith. >> in the beginning god created the heaven and the earth and it was without form or void. >> to here john tell it the idea of protecting the earth began with the o

how significant are catholic charities in the over all catholic communities. >> it's very significant includes homeless services, food, shelter, clothing. it turns out that the boys who are using the ball, they'r they have formed a soccer league. it really is a tremendous presence throughout the catholic communities and in an institutional way shows the church's outreach to those on the margin. >> part of the outreach, helping people with construction, doing projects. that's a contrition ha construction hat and some shoes. can you translate this realtime in spanish? >> let me see if i can hear it. [ speaking spanish ] >> i'm afraid i didn't pick that up 37 but speaking of day laborers, they're among the people who constructed the sha chair, the simple chair at the pope's request that he'll sit in at mass. >> even the white linens were woven together by some of the catholic children participants spouses welcoming him to this particular school and this gymnasium. this is not happening in lower manhattan, not in midtown. this is in harlem. >> i was taken by the words of milli, who was on

catholic church will definitely probably, according to catholics, allow birth control. say the of catholics catholic church will definitely or probably allow birth control by 2050. 86% say it will definitely a probably allow cohabitating catholics to receive communion. 2050half believe that by that the catholic church will allow divorced catholics who have remarried without an annulment to receive communion. what are your thoughts about those expectations from american catholics? guest: i think those expectations are wishful thinking and unfortunately reflect the fact that many catholics do not understand the actual teachings and the reasoning behind it. if you understand the church's teaching on sexuality and you see it as rooted in the understanding of the human person and how our sexuality is oriented in a particular direction and it belongs in marriage because of procreation, i think those comments and those expectations really all right reflection -- are a reflection to be the greek in which catholics have become, in many respects, like everyone else. again, this p

you're not just catholics, you're catholics by choice.elize even to its own people to get them to engage. the two things we've heard are, remember the poor, the destitute, that's what he said on ground zero, and go forth. that's what he said in the mass in washington. take it upon yourself as leo xiii said to katharine drexel, why not you. >> and before we go to break, do you have a story? >> my favorite story, when he became archbishop ten years ago, he was a little bit sick. they called in a chinese acupuncturist, which says a lot about him that he would do that, and they distinguished the most distinguished latin american acupuncturist came to see him, he disrobed, and the acupuncturist said, i couldn't believe his clothes had holes in it. that such a mighty person would be so humble that his formal vestments were showing the humility of the life and his message. >> we'll take a short break so we can show you the motorcade as the pope heads to the seminary. we'll be right back. we have three chevy's here. alright. i want you to place t

faith and the catholic church after that experience?cause it's my church. i was -- my parents baptized me, they raised me catholic. i was daniel italian americans. like italians can' don't want me, it is part of my identity and that's the way i feel. >> the church still allows nicholas to attend mass at st. anthony's but that doesn't ease his pain. >> it's very difficult because one although i'm welcomed to celebrate in the liturgy, i cannot be an active member of the parish which makes it difficult because i believe our faith calls us to be an active member of the community which is to help people in the community. so although celebrating the mass i could come here but again it has been, for lack of a better word, poisoned, because of the liturgy here. >> he now attends st. xavier, it has an active gay ministry, he goes, even though it is an hour out of his way. he hasn't turned his back on his neighborhood parish or his faith. pope francis has given him a hope of the different day. >> the day i heard it was a jesuit, i know they were

leading democrat is catholic. vice president is a catholic. the supreme court are catholics. there is no sense of being kept out of power anymore, being denied full american citizenship. that is in the past. >> i was going to add joseph kennedy and john f kennedy never forgot the signs around boston of a certain era that said irish need not apply. they never forgot that and it fuelled their rise in many ways. let's see. we saw ann thompson for a moment. can she hear us. you looked marvelous in front of the cathedral. >> reporter: thank you. now you know what i do when i'm not on camera. i fool with my hair. it really is interesting. i have been struck by the historical aspect of this that you and chris have been talking about that 50 years ago jfk had to make it very clear more than 50 years ago that he would not take his instructions from the vatican and then today we have these incredible scenes where the pope walks into the chamber and is greeted with thunderous applause and several standing ovations during his speech and just how far it ha

and american catholics. am a catholic. but it is a nice thing. we are a religious country in the sense that we are a country of a lot of religious people. 70 million catholics alone but many, many other faiths. but we by necessity have a secular democracy that accepts religious pluralism and religious freedom and we don't usually celebrate religious leaders in the seat of government. but for him to be cognizant of the fact that he's there not as a catholic leader per se but as a spiritual leader and somebody who has something to offer to everyone, that is what has made this a national story and a political story and not just something for america's 70,000 -- 70 million catholics. it's been a big week, and there's a lot more to come. stay with us. >>> last night we promised you a major story that you have not heard elsewhere about a major republican presidential candidate and a federal corruption trial that's about to go off like a proverbial bomb in the middle of his campaign. this is not a story about chris