reporter: it was a meeting that raised eyebrows, sitting down for peace negotiations where the catholic church of the two most violent gangs in el salvador. >> translator: these gangs have made a commitment. they won't kill each other anymore, and we'll lower the crime rate among them. the church has only been the mediator. rirchlg. >> reporter: the truce called for laying down they are weapons, as witnessed by the secretary general of the organization of american states. el salvador, located at the center of the american region, known as the northern triaction newsle has one of the highest murder rates in the world. more than 70 per 100,000 people. before the truce reached by two criminal gangs, as many as 13 people were killed every day in the tiny nation of six million. the truce negotiated by the catholic church last spring was a desperate effort to end the violence and in the first few weeks after the pact the murder rate was cut down by two-thirds. >> translator: throughout this process i have witnessed the construction of a miracle. >> reporter: as part of the negotiation process the go

number two in terms of my church of orientation the catholic.y made sell celebacy not because of jesus but they didn't want them to leave money to their families. >> eliot: what was the theological basis for celibacy. >> i'm giving it to you. paul, for example st. paul who many theologians feel may have been a closeted gay man in first century holy man. but if you read paul's letters with that perspective in mind, he'smaybe this guy is hiding something in his time. then his contradictions make sense. but in the case with christ, with the celebacy, they believed jesus was coming back in their lifetime. that's why they said don't get married, don't have children. they thought the world was going to end in their lifetime. the modern catholic church, married priest is the conservative point of view. st. pope was married for and for a thousand years popes could marry and have kids. this could be very good news. >> eliot: there is an argument that this is not my domain and not for me to speak to the catholic church about what would help them. >> go ah

and to enlist the energy and creativity of all the different parts of the world, the catholic church is a universal church. there are catholics on every continent now. >> he also proposed discussion, at least, of some really controversial matters. >> he did. >> ordaining women deacons. >> right. >> no longer requiring prits to be celibate. >> that's right. he wanted to at least raise the question for further discussion about priestley -- about requiring priests be celibate, about women as deacons, about conversations of other religious traditions in a more serious way. but my point that is he had these positions but he had them in a way that was persuasive and open and always in the tone of inviting discussion. and not staking out a position. i think that was martini's great strength. >> did he seem to you the last liberal cardinal in the catholic hierarchy? >> you know, i think in some ways the word liberal doesn't quite capture martini. he was -- he avoided labels. and he wanted to be a voice in the church for a very large segment, he thought, of the church, not just one little tin

news. >> eliot: there is an argument that this is not my domain and not for me to speak to the catholic churchm. >> go ahead. >> eliot: this one i'm going to be leary of, i know i've seen others write passionately if you got rid of the mandate it would permit the church to expand. what about the woman as a disciple. >> this speaks to core of many christian faiths. jesus went everywhere with thinks 12 apostles and three women. so reading the bible, at least for the women he first appeared to. they were the women who did not abandon him when busted by the cops, they stuck by him. there were clearly 15 apostles, but the men who wrote the bible no no, there were 12 apostles and three groupies. >> eliot: i thought ruth was the first one who had groupies. >> good news for christianity. >> eliot: i just got to ask though how substantial of factual basis or how deep is the support for the notion that this papyrus changes understanding of history. >> theit all depends. the bible is like occupy wall street of the tea party. people who want to take support of this, people who want to see women take more

years, as vietnam has opened to the west, vietnamese catholics have regained a measure of religious freedom. even so, the government still restricts churchctivities, and in some areas catholics are barred from holding government jobs, which helps explain the deep devotion of vietnamese catholics living in the united states. thousands journey to carthage each year for the marian days festival, a four-day pilgrimage to give thanks to the virgin mary for the safety and freedom they feel they enjoy in america. >> it's like a divine providence that we happened to be right in the middle of the united states. everybody can come over here, you know, just the whole family gathering. but the second part is just the spiritual side of things, because through the year there's all this hardship, working, and it's just a week to come here just to pray and listen to conferences to nourish their spiritual side. >> about 500 people came in 1978, the first year of the festival. today, between 50,000 and 60,000 people attend, making it one of the largest ethnic festivals in the u.s. the centerpiece of the pilgrimage is this statue of the virgin mary, one of

they are in communion with the catholic church. they recognize the pope as a spiritual leader. it is also a country in which virtually all other middle eastern religions are represented. there are sunnis, shiites, and has been a very delicate balance there. that balance has been threatened. since then, there has been a delicate balance in lebanon which many see as a model, and that is part of what he will be saying there. >> he is arriving at a time of high protests in the country. how is he likely to handle the situation? >> he says he is coming to 11 on as a pilgrim, that he will pray for peace. that may seem to some of our agnostic and our atheist viewers as being rather futile, but bear in mind, some 90% of the people, perhaps even more, in the middle east believe in god. that is certainly something that can influence them. it is significant that hezbollah, for example, the shiite group, has militia that is regarded by the united states as a terrorist organization and has said that it welcomes the visit from the pope. >> the pope himself is no stranger to the fact that ther

we held the catholic church itself responsible. the pope -- we require thad the pope do something about this from the top down. i think we need to treat islam the meay. ua terrorism, just as no one is saying that the catholic church equals child abuse, but we need to hold people at the top responsible for the messages, for the actions, the things that are being done in the name of that religion. >> i think you're right. nvsati is also domestically celebrating moderate islam, reminding american people that the two are not equated. there has been a massive rise in anti-islam sentiment in the united states that is very diurbi. ing fact t w say there's moderate islam and peaceful islam is something we have to work on. >> you're totally right. they have to police emselves, islam. america needs to stop looking a isas enemy. it's a small part. >> i think we do agree. i think we're all pretty much grown-ups right now. most of us are not talking about the whole of islam, but the ole of isl needs to respond to this problem because this probm

trans substantiation scheme that occurred oh i don't know five or six hundred years ago in the catholic church where they turned actually wafers into the bone of christ so you're taking basically something that is in a nerd object like an old toaster or a weed whacker or maybe some coloring books from tim geithner's grade school and you're saying this is collateral to back trillions of dollars worth of derivatives . well yes and all of these derivative trades are happening now by a clearing houses like the chicago mercantile exchange now that's where they're monitoring it and making sure that there's some sort of collateral so in comes the seven banks including j.p. morgan and bank of america and they're the biggest because they have one hundred forty trillion worth of derivatives on their books so they plan to let customers swap lower rated securities that don't meet standards in return for a loan of treasuries or similar holdings that do qualify a process dubbed collateral transformation so literally somebody comes in with corporate bonds or non government backed mortgage backed securities s

this is a deeply held belief in the roman catholic church. all right. we're going to hold karl rove over and talk about bill clinton's speech last night. and then what the president is going to say in a couple of hours from now. and eva longoria is also going to have a speech and we'll tell you a little bit about that. we'll be right back from charlotte. >> bill: from charlotte with our special coverage of the dnc. bill clinton's speech, give me a grade on it. >> you know, presentation, energy, pretty good. the fascination that everybody has watching him walk on the high wires, see what would happen. i'd say pretty good. but substance, mixed. he did what obama wanted him to do by saying okay, it's going to take longer. nobody has ever gotten this done quickly. but the reflection of the difference between obama's record on the economy and clinton's record on the economy make it difficult for democrats to say, you know what? this guy is doing the best he can, after all, clinton did a heck of a lot better. there is a tension there that was evident just sim

there is a lot of back-and-forth between martin luther and the catholic church. especially during the next two two to three years. luther participates in a number of adventures with catholic authorities. but no common ground is being met. in 1620, luther begins what becomes the final breaking between this new protestant movement and the roman catholic church. he issues pretexts. as i mentioned earlier, ohio state has the herald grimm collection. it consists of over 600 different titles, or probably approaching close to 700 or more of the state. chronicles really -- every aspect of the german reformation and ohio state is extremely lucky to have probably what could be considered three core texts of the early german protestant movement. these were all written by martin luther in 1620. this first text was august, 1520. this is authors address. in this book, luther lays out a doctrine that may become one of the foundational tenets for private protestantism. in quick terms, what this dictates is that your personal relationship with god need not be mediated by a priest

could be a saint if you want to take the strict definition of the canonized saint on the catholics. >>> of the church asks when a child was baptized a boy or girl have a sense name is that still something confirmation names and catholics are confirmed to take the name presumably of the same. >>> christian names should be taken up the time of baptism and confirmation that christian and the name of the state or lease the name that's not completely foreign to christian sensibilities and often times if people separate naming them of the st. they might stick with that which was my case. my baptismal and confirmation domestic with my name robert. >>> course was to go and find what sinks were named after several i went home and my father said he'd go back a toaster that and not named after any save your named after me so i took that back and i've been telling that story for 50 years. angels are not being spent recall michael the archangel a synched greta van of human beings their spiritual beans which to call him since. in the beginning of time according to catholic theology the angels all made a fundamenta

lou: looking at the polls, which despite everything even the conflict of the catholic church, president obama leads among catholic voters by 15%. conducted september 12th obviously eight the week after the events in benghazi >> it is a sterile conversation. romney was up about nine points one month ago. remember their reelection with governor walker? he won by seven. is a stale conversation. it is not that it would. 25 points and one month? >> obama every election campaign knows they are in trouble with catholics. individual calls are going out telling blatant bias about the president's position saying he does not support abortion. is the most extreme president on that issue this country has ever seen. lou: thank you for your voices. angry liberal bill more is added again. he hates republicans republicans, president obama we have that next. the president's confusing lack of transparency on the murder of our ambassador. comparing benghazi to watergate. author of the amateur joins us. and karl rove among our guest next week. lou: united nations on a mission to become the tax master. consi

you here that in rome from the roman catholic church or from other scholars that might, i don't know, help us see where this might be going in terms of what it does open up? >> certainly one of the ironic things and one of the things that the roman and italian press raised today as i was following professor king around at the conference was, you know, you choose to announce this directly across the street from the vatican. the institute where the conference was held was literally across the street from st. peter's basilica. and, of course, that's just sort of a matter of circumstance. but the appearance there is that you know, there's a claim being made about something that's held very, very dear to the catholic church, this motion of jesus' celibacy. and, in fact, today i noticed that the vatican did issue an official statement to one news organization saying "this changes nothing." there's clear long tradition her decision to publicize this before before the is are dotted and the "t"s crossed. she's already crowd sourcing this. she has two very, very big scholars, experts in papyrus

mosaic today talking about saints with rob a man that is about sainthood about canon law and the catholic church and he is a canon lawyer talking about since. we talked about the process there declared venerable placid and it is a long process and people that way to be a saint have to do a lot of work for you to get there and wants to declared a saint there are relics now tell us about that. >>> relics are various classe'' the first-class record actual body parts of the st. bone hair and things like that and believe it or not these things register read it two churches and their health and relic reliquaries things to display them. there's there is no magic involved with rolex but it is a reminder to st. and the virtues the years she lived in his life and it's a way of being physically closer to what was once the body of the st. program demotion and also second-class relicts and third class relics that and not the body parts that things the sink may have used could be a pen or their clothing and other things the man touched some people hold these things close as well as the critic connection to th

this is what happened to the catholic church and catholic charities this past january when the newman started coming. nerve mind your own conscience they were basically told and from now on you're going to do things the government's way. ladies and gentlemen, you would be hard pressed to find another group in america that does more to serve the health of women and their babies than the catholic church and catholic charities. [ applause ] and now suddenly we have obama care bureaucrats dictating how they will do it. as governor romney has said this mandate is not a threat and insult to one religious group, it is a threat and insult to every religious group. [ applause ] he and i are honored to stand with you, people of faith and concerned citizens in defense of our religious liberty. [ applause ] i can assure you when mitt romney is elected, we will get to work on day one to repeal that mandate and all of obama care. [ cheers and applause ] finally when he tries to make big government sound reasonable and inexclusive the president likes to say we're all in this together. here too he ha

and there's a lot of back and forth between martin luther and the catholic church during the next two to three years. luther participates in a number of disputations with catholic authorities and really no common ground is being met. and then in 1520 luther essentially begins what becomes the final breaking between this new protestant movement and the roman catholic church, and he issues, um, three texts. ohio state has the -- as i mentioned earlier -- the harold grimm collection. it consists of over 600 different titles. we're probably approaching closer to 700 if not more at this stage. and it chronicles really every aspect of the german reformation. and ohio state is extremely lucky to have probably what could be considered the three core texts of the early german protestant movement. these were all written by martin luther in 1520. this first text was august 1520, and this is luther's address to the christian nobility of the german nation. and in this book luther lays out a doctrine that will become one of the foundational tenets for all of protestantism as the years go by, and th

pseudo-ethnographic diorama with that of the dramatic religious dioramas displayed in mexican catholic churchesd decided to exhibit ourselves inside plexiglas boxes as both cultural specimens and holy creatures. i am a border citizen. i was raised in two countries. my family is literally divided by the borderline. half of my family lives in mexico, and the other half is spread throughout the u.s. and canada. and my work is informed by these two traditions. i draw from u.s. and latin american literature, art, and pop culture. and in this sense, my aesthetics are aesthetics of fusion and juxtaposition. i juxtapose high and low culture, politics and art, religion and sexuality, english and español. [ speaking spanish ] [ rooster crows ] in the installation, we have eight velvet paintings representing other saintly idols. and underneath each painting, we have a small table with symbolic objects. these objects are part of our personal pop archaeology that represents the meeting of two or more cultures, like bart sanchez, the mexican cousin of bart simpson wearing a poncho. and then the wonderful igu

that is a reminder of how the democratand the catholic church disagree on the key issue of abortion and contraception. >> we praise you for the get of life, grant us the courage to defend it, life without which no other rights are secure. we ask your benediction on those waiting to be born, that they may be welcomed and protected. >>heather: he delivered a similar benediction last week at the republican national convention. the catholic church strongly opposes president obama's health care provision that would require institutions to provide employees with contraception. that is "five at five." >>heather: time for the first weather update with janice dean. charlotte, north carolina did notnd up with severe weather for the final night of the democratic national convention. >> little bit of rain. so maybe it is a good idea they had things indoors. there is that chance, and one strike of lightning is scary. as a weather opinion and a, month, i think they did the right thing. we have the potential for severe weather because we have a significant cold front slicing through the midwest and th

they have big plans to help further the catholic church's mission. kim has details. >> the archdiocese of baltimore is is embarking on a campaign to raise $100 million. >> to provide the resources necessary for the catholic church in the archdiocese of baltimore to continue that mission of educating children, serving the poor, and preaching and sharing the gospel. >> the embracing our mission initiative is the first capital campaign by the archdiocese and 15 years. they have already raised $64 million, half of the $100 million will go to catholic schools. >> we want to have excellence in the 21st century. we want to make sure we educate the children well but they are prepared as they go on to high school and college and for the work force as well. >> the money will go to renovate schools like this one. and equip them with the latest technology. it will also fund new programs and tuition assistance. $20 million will go to parishes and $10 million will go to charities in their programs. >> the money is important because we know the work we do in our co

this is what happened to the catholic church and catholic charities this past january when the new mandatescare started coming. never mind your own conscience, they were basically told and from now on, you're going to do things the government's way. ladies and gentlemen, you would be hard pressed to find another group in america that does more to serve the health of women and their babies than the catholic church and catholic charities. and now, suddenly, we have obama care bureaucrats presuming to dictate how they're going to do it. as governor romney has said, this mandate is not a threat in insult to one religious group, it is a threat, insult to every religious group. he and i are honored to stand with you, people of faith and concerned citizens, in defense of our religious liberty. and i can assure you, when mitt romney is elected, we will get to work on day one to repeal that mandate and all of obama care. that is a fact. finally, when he tries to make big government sound reasonable and inclusive, the president likes to say we're all in this together and here, too, he has another han

cash strapped europe reportedly looking ted hit up the catholic church. n and italy want tent next tax breaks for churches to pay down debt. plus, they say, it is already creating a wholly of poor. selling, those offending. you will never be forgiven by god and we will never hear your confession. we are not happy about it. meanwhile, protesters in the middle east. that unrest is not stop at all. angry crowds are forming. protesters are still protesting. let's get oil, still rising. melissa frances back from the state it -- strait of hormuz. if the unrest continues oil is going to go a lot higher. just the type of scenario. we are worried about that. >> and it is a perfect storm because we are looking at what the fed did this week which on the, you know, and place the value of the dollar. you need more dollars in order to buy oil. and then this unrest is exactly what everyone in the region is worried about. at the same time the head of the international energy agency is in the price of oil where it is right now is unbearable. it is going to translate to pri