hospitals. it has certain beneficiaries. one group of beneficiaries is the association of catholic hospitals. another is the association of jewish hospitals. another is a totally secular hospitals. there are tax credits for all three. the catholic group will give it to catholic hospitals, and so forth. what is wrong with that? >> i don't get your hypothetical. >> they have government money, like you claim this is, and they say they will give it to one organization -- give it to organizations, and we expect them to distribute it. they will distribute it to those who are their members and, in some cases, their members are religious organizations. in some cases, they are not. what is the difference between that and what happens here? >> it depends on who the beneficiaries of the government are. >> the beneficiaries, catholic hospital programs, cats can program -- cat scan program will be in catholic hospitals. they belong to the catholic hospital association. money will also go to the secular hospital association. that part. that is the last part. >> i am not clear on your program. if it is a gov

of the government, the catholic hospitals the six government cat scan program will be catholic hospitals, because they're the ones who belong to the catholic hospital association. money will also go to the secular hospital association, and as it goes to a secular sto here. so i don't see that part. that's the last promise that we are talking about. >> i'm not clear on your program. it's a government program to benefit hospitals, the benefits have to go to hospitals on a religiously neutral basis. >> the government says -- that's the difference -- the government says -- it does give the money away on a religiously neutral basis, it gives to the hospital association. it turns out that some of these naturally are supposed to give it to their members, all of whom will be religiously affiliated. >> the hospitals are the beneficiaries, justice breyer, that's the difference. the beneficiaries here are not the stos, that's the beneficiaries here are the parents. the sto's are a conduit of government funds to the parent. the parents of the beneficiaries and the constitution requires that the benefits of the government spending program go to the beneficiaries on a regul

hospitals. it is certain beneficiaries. and one group of beneficiaries is the association of catholic hospitals. and others the association of jewish hospital. another is a totally secular hospital. so did the tax credits to all three. of course, the catholic group will get to the catholic hospitals, and so forth. what's wrong with that? spent i don't get your hypothetical. >> what they do is they have government money, just like you claim, and they say they will give it to want abroad organization, like the association of catholic, jewish or secular hospital, and we expect them to distribute it. and they will, of course, distributed to those who are the numbers. and in some cases their members are religious organizations, and in some cases they are not. now, what's the difference between that and what happens here, leaving the students out of the? >> it depends on who the beneficiary -- >> the beneficiaries of the government, catholic hospital, cat scan program will be catholic hospitals. because they are the ones who belong to the catholic hospital association. money will also go to the secular

hospitals. one group of beneficiaries is the association of catholic hospitals. another is the association of jewish hospitals. another is a set of totally secular hospitals. the catholic group is going to give it to catholic hospitals and so forth. what is wrong with that? >> i do not get your hypothetical. >> they have government money, just like you claim this is, and they say that we give the money to those organizations, and we expect them to distribute it, and they will distribute it to their members, and in some cases, their members are religious organizations, and in some cases, they are not. what is the difference between that and what happened here? >> it depends on with the beneficiaries of the government -- >> the beneficiaries of the government cat scan program will be catholic hospitals because they are the ones who belong to the catholic hospital association. money will also go to the secular hospital association, as it goes with the secular sto here. >> on not clear on your program. as a government program to benefit hospitals, the benefits have to

the cat scan program and catholic hospital because they are the ones that about long to catholic hospital association, money will go to the sek u all-star hospital association as it goes to the sek u all-star organization here. if it's a government program to benefit hospitals, the benefits have to go to hospitals on a religiously neutral basis. the government says it does give the money away, it gives it to hospital associations. it turns out that some of those are supposed to give it to their members all of whom will be religiously affiliated. the parents are the beneficiaries, the constitution require that's the benefits of a government spending program go to the ben firries. so in zellman were the parentses. >> his question was, you give it to the hospital equivalent. that gives it to hospitals on the religious basis. why aren't the hospitals the beneficiaries of that program. if the hospitals are programmed, the hospitals will have to get the money on the religious basis. >> the analogy would be the patients are the beneficiaries of the program. the government will help cancer patients. it gives