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follow such cases of abuse and post them on the web site police misconduct and that just today the cato institute posted reports against police overstepping authority from new mexico illinois connecticut louisiana nebraska and elsewhere one such case posted today is of a new jersey state trooper who held an illegal high speed escort on a highway and when it's caught eyewitness to the joyride caught on tape and reported the officer who's now been sentenced to one year probation but not all cases of misconduct are as harmless as a high speed joyride what happens when police overstep their boundaries or take the use of force too far that's what witnesses in kern county california are saying about a case where seven county deputies were involved and beating an unarmed man to death . the sheriff's office has stonewalled reporters want to know more about the allegations and attempted to actually visited the home of the observers who phoned nine eleven to turn one to turn over any footage captured of the police abuse civically a video that allegedly shows all seven officers beating the man ove

the libertarian party so i think they absolutely have libertarian roots but still even though the cato institute you could argue have done some things that are that are you know in the vein of civil liberties and and good on some foreign policy issues i mean you can argue that they've they're there you can find a buyer at the l.a. times chicago tribune i mean these are things that are i think that's good for billionaire brother venture capitalist to be buying up media everywhere and you know from my viewpoint the koch brothers really are all about free markets all about free markets they're all about civil liberties they're they're all about there but all of that driven. i do believe that i do believe that well let's talk about the free market i mean would you support legislation like reinstating lead to . they should like glass steagall and if not how do you prevent monopolies from forming or do you think that that's not what i do think about those things and i think glass steagall would be something you know looking at it. it seems like a commonsense thing to do but i will tell you t

but still even though the cato institute you could argue have done some things there that are you know in the vein of civil liberties and and good on some foreign policy issues i mean you can argue that they've they're there you can find a buyer at the l.a. times chicago tribune i mean these are things that are you think that's good for billionaire brother venture capitalists to be buying up media everywhere and you know from my viewpoint the koch brothers really are all about free markets all about free markets they're all about civil liberties they're they're all about there but all of that kind of information. i do believe i do believe that well let's talk about the free market i mean would you support legislation like reinstating legislation like glass steagall and if not how do you prevent monopolies from forming or do you think about some of not i do i do think about those things and i think glass steagall would be something you know looking at it. it seems like a common sense thing to do but i will tell you that even the most common sense solutions end up having unintended conse

blame them for doing this well i have with me mark levine of the and sides and mark calabria of the cato institute to give us the mark to market breakdown on our fall. so is there anything illegal or immoral to what happens there is nothing illegal to what apple is doing apple is taking advantage of the united states tax system i think united states tax system has a problem and needs to be changed because what apple does is basically it goes to the lowest tax country can find joy in the british virgin islands which charges a very very low tax rate and keeps all its money there so it's not even paying the european tax rate or the chinese tax or the other countries where it's going if we simply charge every country every company in america and appropriate rate it could be lower i mean if i were twenty five percent to repatriate funds in they'd come back in to be used to the economy they would have to go through these machinations and this illegal or immoral well it's not illegal and i don't think it is immoral either i mean we will agree the problem here is not necessarily companies or ind

some regards thank you this is congressman ross of florida district fifteen and dan mentioned the cato i said to him. welcome to the daily duel joining me as prime interest producer bob inglis hey there nice to be talking with you and we're going to talk corruption right maybe maybe we're talking about congress so i guess we'll put that in some. now put the facts reported that nearly one half of members of congress are millionaires but have a huge political office to gain well bob is going to make the case i would say you could divide congress into a couple of different categories here there are people that came into congress with some money there are people that made money after they got out of congress and legitimate businesses and there are other people that just kind of played the system we have a list here let's go to al franken the former saturday night live writer and you know he's probably earning a lot of money from his stuart smalley movie residuals and he's worth about eight million dollars so good for him last it's got us well i don't know i don't know who would you like to

should be able to collect taxes across their borders and not i spoke earlier with dan mitchell of the cato institute who does not believe and representative dennis ross let's listen to their discussion. representative ross was also a original co-sponsor of the marketplace fairness ags last congress so mr ross can you please explain to us why you believe that states should have the power to collect taxes across state borders. well it's clearly an opportunity to provide jurisdictional infrastructure to allow for the collection of taxes that are due when i was in the florida legislature several years ago i was a sponsor of the streamlined sales tax because the state of florida was losing several billions of dollars a year. that they could not recoup and i think what we need to do is to be honest with each other and so you're either going to have be responsible for self. paying our taxes or allow for an infrastructure that has the jurisdiction of authority to make sure that taxes are appropriate collected so that we do have an even playing field now mr mitchell do you believe that the states s

do not know the hoke brothers but what i know of the koch brothers brothers is they started up the cato institute and and. david koch ran as a vice presidential candidate for the libertarian party i absolutely have libertarian roots but still even though the cato institute you could argue have done some things that are that are you know in the vein of civil liberties and and good on some foreign policy issues i mean you can argue that they've they're they're even find by of the l a times chicago tribune i mean these are things. that are you think that's good for billionaire brother venture capitalist to be buying up media everywhere and you know from my viewpoint the koch brothers really are all about free markets all about free markets they're all about civil liberties they're they're all about the role of i'm driven. i do believe i do believe that well let's talk about the free market i mean would you support legislation like reinstating legislation like glass steagall and if not how do you prevent monopolies from forming or do you think that that's not all about i do think about thos

do not know the koch brothers but what i know of the koch brothers brothers is they started up the cato institute and and. david koch ran as a vice presidential candidate for the libertarian party so i think they absolutely have libertarian roots but still even though the cato institute you could argue have done some things that are that are you know in the vein of civil liberties and and good on some foreign policy issues i mean you can argue that they've they're they're even find a bias the l a times chicago tribune i mean these are things that are you think that's good for billionaire brother venture capitalists to be buying up media everywhere and you know from my viewpoint the koch brothers really are all about free markets all about free markets they're all about civil liberties they're they're all about the role of active in. the you know i do believe that i do believe that well let's talk about the free market i mean would you support legislation like reinstating legislation like glass steagall and if not how do you prevent monopolies from forming or do you think about some of t

technologies always come in a political and social context, which is why we see the cato institute andartland institute backing geo- engineering but bagging or attacking or dissing renewable energy. >> let me ask you about what is happening in australia. that is where you are from. the australia pushing for an amendment to the london protocol on marine pollution and dumping at sea which would have the prohibition of the practice the oceans, this just announced by the government. quite a bit of a surprise. it is part of a growing push from a range of entries, mostly from the south but also backed by some scandinavian countries, to try to develop an international government structure to regulate research into geo-engineering. i was very pleased to see that the australian government was on the side of progress in this particular case. , includinguntries the united states, are kind of taking an arms length view. we do not really want to get involved. it is not big enough yet. the same goes for some of the big environment groups. >> you have talked about this before, putting iron sulfate in

we agree wit that, but the cato institute says independence is nonsense.crease the price of the middle east. a commodity, energy independenc is not protect you against bad stf that happens abroad. >> there is no correlation. the gimmick of the day and find it. there's no coelation whatsoever. >> i would argue that if you denominate energyndependence in terms of oil, if you want to change the game entirely in denominated d will we might call fuel choice. you had a segment about ethanol. yeah of the abundant source and turn it into ethanol which when available to the consumer as an opon in addition to gasoline, in addition, perps, to ethanol use only create conditions that actually can destroy opec. there is a mosque that was in boston that was an incubator fo the attack there. that has its financing from saudi arabia. that makes a real difference. >> i believe almost everything that caters suggests. >> bad idea. john: stop throwing money to these madrasahs. >> they are here. >> if the united states did not send money to saudi arabia for crude, where we get

we agree with that, but the cato institute says independence is nonsense.crease the pce of the middle east. a commodity, energy independenc is not protect you against bad stuff that happens abroad. >> there is no correlation.gimm it. there's no correlation whatsoever. >> i wouldrgue that if you denominate energy independence in terms of oil, if you want to change the game entirely in denonated and wille might call fuel choice. you had a segment about ethanol. yeah of the abundant urce and turn it into ethanol which when available to the consumer as an option in addition to gasoline, in addition, perhaps, to ethano use only createonditions that actually can destroy opec. there is a mosque that was in boston that was an incator for the tack there. that has its financing from saudi aria. that makes a real difference. >> i belve almost everything that caters suggests. >> bad idea. john: stop throwing moneyto these madrasahs. >> they are here. >> if the united states d not send money to saudi arabia for crude, where we get about 10 percent of our crude. that's a

the size and scope of government is much bigger than heritage or cato would like.ernment in 1935 it's been 3% of its money on transfer payment, but it's taking from americans and giving it to others, now we have a government that spends two thirds of the money to do that. gerri: we talk about all the time on this network. let's get to immigration and the cost. the immigration numbers are controversial and interesting. >> we calculated the cost by looking up 11.5 million unlawful immigrants in the country and looking through their lifetime how much are they going to pay taxes and how much will be receiving government services and benefits. that's how we came up with the 6.3 to trillion dollar number. gerri: we have to do a lot of extrapolating. we have to make assumptions about what happens to people over time. >> yes, absolutely. one of the things that makes the most out of this is this report is nearly 100 pages. it goes through in great detail how we went to those numbers, including lottery ticket purchases as an example. gerri: alex, you don't agree. you think t

joining me for more on this, cato institute director of tax policy studies, chris edwards and foxnews.m science and technology editor jeremy cap plan. jemy, it always makes great headlines to say, companies ar't paying enough in taxes andyet i feel how much is enough? don't we want to invest in companies that pay less money in taxes legally so they give us more money? >> that the really interesting thing about this th have done exactly nothing wrong but feels so incribly ridiculous. we're talking about tens of billionsf dollars, pu profit, they haven't paid anyone any tax on whatsoever. you have to think, maybe, maybe possibly shouldn't they be spending putting so of that back into the u.s., just a little bit of it. dennis: chris edwards, at cato, i that where we are, paying taxes is do-gooder patriotic duty and a company otherwise have to legally? >> apple comported itself extremely well at the hearings today. they did not give an inch of ound to the senators who are franklyn a wild goose chase. apple is extremely good for e u.s. economy. 95% of i its r&d is here. st of its employees a

voices of conservatism in the country, cato, grover norquist and americans for tax reform, the clubor growth, you go through it. the american actionorum, dug holes eagan's outfit. they come after you ying you are wrong, dead wrong and could not be more wrong. and he has some numbers. he says that instead of what you are including in your report, he says it wou reduce the overall deficit by two and a half trillion dollars. uld not be much more of a swing at. >> i spent six months preparing this report. it is out 80 pages long. the appendix that it describes, the methodology of what i did is over 30 pages long. anyone can look in every detail of my analysis. he does not actually have a study your report. he basically has a press release about a study that he might do. he has provided about the paid and a half of them permission. very difficult to assess what he is talking about becauue it is so hidden and minimal, but one thing i can say about that is that his study basically concludes that an immigrant with a ph.d. in an iran with a fourth grade education both have an equal, put into

things like americans for prosperity, freedom works, the cato and heritage institutes at washington we find them mention on the website and we tallied back, but it usually was just a link. now i think there's a lot of variety in this. i have to say up with americans for prosperity has been a regional organizers and established a presence in the midwest and wisconsin and we found her by the were trying to send speakers out and that's a big mechanism because the local groups wanted to bring in speakers. they don't see that as control. they have the whole place to talk about a beverage system. one final thing i will say is w looked for signs of federations from below. that is groups forming a stay federation. as you know, they did in virginia and that's quite remarkable. there may be some signs of that in michigan, but i think on the whole the local groups often go their own way and don't perceive when there be an influence from outside. >> i would just add a tiny point, which is the national organization we saw consistent approval for her. it was fox news. the conservative media were oft

dennis: chris edwards, at cato, is that where we are, paying taxes is do-gooder patriotic duty and a company pay more than it should otherwise have to legally? >> apple comported itself extremely well at the hearings today. they did not give an inch of ground to the senators who are frankly on a wild goose chase. apple is extremely good for the u.s. economy. 95% of its r&d is here. most of its employees are here and pay as huge amount of taxes. it has done nothing wrong. it has done nothing illegal here apparently. it does what every u.s. multinational has to do these days. they have to do this complex tax planning because the 40% u.s. tax rate is highest in the world. so if anyone has anything to be embarrassed about it is not apple, those senators sitting behind the podium who kept our rates so absurdly high while every country around the world has cut. so good for apple for defending themselves. dennis: jeremy, don't we think those very senators grilling tim cook today hire their own accountants to pay as low a tax as they can? don't you go out of your way to pay as low as tax. >>

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let cato and the ceo fight it out. there are politics. this does divide the republican party. i was listening to rush limbaugh. >> i love that. >> we're democrats. we listen to everybody. he said, look -- this is what you hear from a political standpoint. you're going to bring all these people in. you're going to make them legal. you're going to help them do that. and they're not going to vote for you. and you have 4 million people that sit back every election because we're doing this. so, the limbaugh -- this is a lot of republicans' calculation, you're not going to get credit for this. the democrats are going to is get the credit. you're kboing to help a lot more democratic vote. i don't think i agree with that. but that's where the politics hit the ground. and there's a lot of opposition in the republican party. >> conservatives support immigration. and lawful immigration, if it's merit-based, is going to build our country. immigrants built our country. one of the primary reasons we oppose this bill, it's going to take away the opportunities that america gives the folks who

michael cannon of the conservative cato institute says the study throws a stop sign in front of obamadicaid expansion. a maybe a stop sign or maybe even a green light. regarding the access to health care, cutting down on high cholesterol, hypertension and diabetes, the length of the study was just two years long, researchers warn that positive health he cans might take more time to show up. the finger-wagging from the right ignores the positive health care impacts. medicaid made people much more likely to be financially stable. those who had health care coverage were 30% less likely to be depressed. for people without medicaid, 5.5% reported spending more than 30% of their income on their health care. that income was zero for those with medicaid. those with health care took part in preventive services much more often. including mammograms and cholesterol tests, sara collins vice president at the commonwealth fund say it will have long-term impacts. the overall finding is they're using more preventive services and going to the doctor more. she said the health incomes take time. the big

cato corporation and children's place claim to have not been using the bangladeshi factory at the time of the collapse. officials at wal-mart, gap and h&m met this week to discuss adopting higher safety standards in bangladesh. the environmental protection agency is at the center of the ongoing debate over fracking. this week, california lawmakers advanced a bill that would enact a state-wide ban on hydraulic drilling. "the epa has documented how air quality in wyoming around fracking sites is worse than what we're finding in los angeles. so the question that we have is, should we deepen our dependence on dirty fuels, should we extend our dependence on natural gas, or should we shift?" "the epa this week released a statement saying that from 1990 to 2007, natural gas production has increased by a whopping 40%, and at the same time the industry has lowered emissions from methane by 20% and the climate change battle is not as severe as once thought." proponents remain largely focused on the economic benefits to communities with fracking jobs, while critics are concerned about limited reg

on that same note the cato institute which is a right leaning think tank here in town also did a similar study and they did use dynamic scoring and they found that the reform bill would add one point five trillion to the economy and that by forcing the eleven million undocumented workers out of the country that there would actually be a two point six trillion dollar loss over ten years to the g.d.p. adding it adding people to citizenship or painting paving the pathway to citizenship for eleven million people that doesn't increase prosperity it doesn't increase production i mean we have a jobs problem here it's not that we don't have enough people working is that we don't have enough exports we don't have enough products being made is that just simply making somebody legal status is that going to increase your economic output . well what it will do is you're right they're already here there are already working and the question is how do we get them on the books basically how do we get them to pay taxes what it will do is boost tax revenue these people come out of the woodwork to. obtain p

on that same note the cato institute which is a right leaning think tank here in town also did a similar study and they did use dynamic scoring and they found that the reform bill would add one point five trillion to the economy and that by forcing the eleven million undocumented workers out of the country that there would actually be a two point six trillion dollar loss over ten years to the g.d.p. adding it adding people to citizenship or painting paving the pathway to citizenship for eleven million people that doesn't increase prosperity it doesn't increase production i mean we have a jobs problem here it's not that we don't have enough people working is that we don't have enough exports we don't have enough products being made is that just simply making somebody legal status is that going to increase our economic output. well what it will do is you're right they're already here there are already working and the question is how do we get them on the books basically how do we get them to pay taxes what it will do is boost tax revenue these people come out of the woodwork to. obtain pro

the inside scoop as well as mark calabria who's the director of financial regulation studies at the cato institute. on the the force. because i think that some of the fundamental assumptions are do you think too big to fail is an economic issue or you think it's a political issue and quite frankly i don't think getting one company is so big and of course it's also important to remind the option is not necessarily fail we all probably flown on a bankrupt airline there are ways to take these things in bankruptcy continue to keep them going turn debt holders in the creditor to debt holders in equity holders and keep these institutions going rather than a false choice of bail out or liquidate so my point is that i think too big to fail is fundamentally the perception by the marketplace on whether you will be assisted by the government so it's a question of whether government officials will step in and protect pitot primarily creditors if that is the case and those institutions are able to borrow at a lower rate they're able to grow and push their competitors out of the marketplace because in