we did some research at the cato institute. we hired professors to do a study how much welfare, poor immigrants use compared to poor native-born americans. that's the relevant comparison right there. apples to apples. poor people to poor people in the same level. what we found was that if poor americans used medicaid at the same rate as poor immigrants and took the same amount of benefits that program would be 42% smaller. a huge savings. but for some reason people, when they look at an immigrant taking a dollar of welfare, all of a sudden the damage is magnified beyond all comprehension compared to an american citizen taking the same amount. now, i favor getting rid of the welfare state for everybody, but if we can't do that, let's build a wall around it at least and try to improve that perception of -- and try tree -- to remove the perception that immigrants are takers when in fact they contribute far more to society than the paltry amount they take in welfare. >> okay. we have a question in the front row. >> thank you. my na

this is about 90 minutes. >> welcome, everybody, to the cato institute. since the beginning of this year immigration has become of burning public policy issue in washington. for the first time in decades the united states considering that major reform in the way that it deals with immigrants, the ensuing debate and the possibility of reform is welcome, but the fact is politicians are arriving very late to this issue. that is because in this country there has long been a wide gap between restrictive laws and the reality of immigration. the gap that reflects the economic and social fact that there are millions of americans and millions of immigrants from mexico and central america. we wish to engage in peaceful voluntary exchange but are not legally allowed to do so. that inconsistency has produced a lot of the problems associated with legal immigration. many serious problems and some imagined. the prospect of reform has stimulated the debate about the economic and cultural issues surrounding immigration, its impact, and is a debate that cuts across party l

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i get that cato institute is funded by these giant corporations so they have these invested interestslying. but i don't understand the media. >> yes yes. >> cenk: how does that dynamic work where the media is some how verboten to connect the hurricane, the drought, the wildfires, why who is the editor or executive director of cnn who says, don't say that, you're not allowed to say that? >> right, it's this ingrained fear of the liberal media bias charge. media has written about all of this drastic weather events, all these catastrophic weather events whether it's drought, firefighters hurricanes, blizzards. climate change is almost never mentioned as a context. never a sentence or paragraph this might be why it's happening. meteorologists never talk about this topic. they're afraid they're going to be attacked. they are afraid they're being biased that they're adding a political element to a story. they might be because it's part of the story. you need to include it. climate change has widespread drastic implications for our media culture and for the globe obviously. it needs to be pa

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called the cato institute and they're always quick to point out how you know relatively small the. terrorism threat is in comparison to other threats that affect the united states and so i do think that a strong arguing argument can be made not that our counterterrorism response has achieved nothing but that the costs simply haven't been worth it in other areas like freedom you know john it seems to me this whole war on terror the we still use the term it should be to start with police practices ok a crime is committed and you call the police you treat it that way not this international global you know attempts to snuff out everything should be more precise. yeah and i you know i think that it's really an important question to ask why the government chose to go the war of the global borderless war route as opposed to the police action or i think there's a very good reason in times of war the government is able to expand its scope and power and control more than any other time so under a war footing. the united states government can throw a b.s. corpus out the window under a war foo

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in the us police shootings of dogs aren't uncommon with cato u.t.v.in houston found the city's department shot one hundred eighty seven dogs since two thousand and ten he some police ruled all the shootings were justified here at the scene of the shooting there still blood on the ground they use a police force has come under major scrutiny following the videotaped incident the following the death of a rottweiler named max many observers say that this incident just part of a larger trend of over aggressive policing because of questions of a con the police conduct and how to handle situations that could be handled completely peacefully but instead they really overstep their boundaries and take life whether human or animal just before the dog was shot officers say they were under intense stress and that when a swat situation in another recent high profile shooting officers also cited intense stress when they mistakenly shot an unarmed civilians journal manhunt for christopher dorner the man who allegedly went on a killing rampage after being terminated f

cato economist dan mitchell. why haven't the budget cuts worked? >> because there have not been any that woman from england. the cut, cut, government spendi has gone up in the united kingdom every single year. for at least a couple decades, and even since their so-called conservative government took over, and it is rising faster than inflation, you look at france, governmenttspending going up. >> we have a graph. france, italy, united kingdom, spain. >> they are increasing government spending at a rapid rate. all of a sudden, fisl financial crisis hit, we have to do austerity, was not prune back the se, they said let's raise taxes, they are raising taxes, dving private sectors into the dirt, that dii not work, now finally, in greece, we're seeingga tiny bit of spending cuts, only because they have reached end of the rope, they cannot get more bailouts they raised taxes to a point where the imf said you get less revenue, so, azingly, like,al the greeks made a tiny spending cut. >> why all of the publicity about draconian cuts, people there experienc

in about five minutes we will take you live to the cato institute here in washington. a discussion on changes in u.s. immigration policy and the system could impact both low and high skill workers. the discussion money gets underway here on c-span. earlier this week the house judiciary subcommittee on statustion examined the of undocumented immigrants that were brought to the u.s. as children. a sister of and on -- undocumented immigrant and think she had to endure because of her illegal that us. -- her illegal status. my parents moved to the united states in the 1980 but yes and i was born in 1987 in california. shortly after my birth we moved back to columbia with money they saved working in the u.s. and .ried to -- pursue a life that they have my sister while we were living in columbia in 1991 when i was four years old and she was three years old he move back to the u.s. they moved back in order to provide a better life for us. they wanted us to live without the drugs, violence and daily car bombings that defined daily life in columbia. and for us to have a chance a

here to weigh incoming director of financial regulation studies for the cato institute. welcome.gassi you. protesting. new york, detroit, chicago. really big cities. let me tell you, if we helped everybody you could not afford with their living, salaries of were not up to snuff, everybody would be getting some kind of benefit here. >> and that is absolutely the case. the biggest driver of that is housing costs. just as outrageously expensive to live in some place like san francisco or new york. dressed jeanine aftermath the minimum wage workers are in the south, many of which live in fairly affordable areas. highly unusual to work fast fade and be paid minimum wage. again, it is really the cost of living in the city's. gerri: only two-thirds of workers are part-time. i was looking at the tail numbers. over four and a half% of hourly workers are paid minimum wage. 5% of hourly workers, not all workers, paid minimum wage. really talking about a small proportion of workers. who -- now 725, who is this for? >> and that's a good thing to keep in mind. half the minimum wage workers are

studying immigration at the cato institute and said that prevailing wisdom is crazy.ation the better. why? it is logical that they're take on america's jobs. >> not a fixed number of jobs in the economy. the more people that we have come to an area, attracted to an area for job opportunities. was there are they create jobs by being consumerist among being entrepreneurs, having different skills than americans. they work together for aricans and the job market. what we see an alarmingly, and minister of american history, they come when there are jobs, don'tt there aren't . john: they create jobs. shaking your head and leaning ay from them. you will see. those people are not actors. and there are 20, maybe 30 million more people like them to grab my hand and say please tossup what you are doing because i cannot judge job because they're being given to people with temporary visas. not once did you mention the unemployment rate in this country. americans are hurting, john. they're hurting. people re taking their jobs. >> but are they hurting because of immigration? we into

michael tanner is a social security expert at the cato institute.umber of people on disability has just ballooned. it is four times wt it was in the '70s. why is that? >> well, a number of reasons. part of it is just demographics. we're aging as a population, and older people are more likely to be disabled than younger people. as you age, you get a lot of conditions that make it harder for you to work. part of it is the recession we just came out of. a lot of people who were older who couldn't find work, whose unemployment insurance was running out turned to disability insurance as an alternative to being unemployed or not having any income. and some of it has to do with the program itself. it has to do with the fact that we have some administrative judges who have very high approval rates and we've shifted away from the sort of injuries and disabilities that were easy to categorize to injuries and disabilities like back injury or stress that are much more difficult to determine whether or noteople are legitimately quified. melissa: and i think that

cato institute says washington better wake up. >> we better wake

policyex and i am the analyst at the cato institute.is exciting time to about economics and the impact of immigration. recently, the senate passed an immigration reform bill and you have representatives currently debating similar proposals in their chamber right now. this is an important time or you can bring in some of the experts and main academics to work on this topic and hear what they have to say about immigration in general and to share some of the insights of their research with us today. i want to say that it's a pleasure for me to be appear to introduce these three economists who i have cited extensively in my own work on this issue. since you did not come here to hear me talk about it, i will begin right away with an introduction. our first presenter will be professor madelin zavodny, the chair the economics department of agnes scott college in atlanta. she is a fellow at the american enterprise institute. her interests include economics of the family and immigration. she has published in dozens of academic journals, my favor

we welcome dan mitchell who is a senior fellow with the cato institute.on. summers as fed chairman, dan mitchell. when he was deputy to robert rubin, the united states ran a very strong dollar policy. now whether that was by design or happenstance, larry summers was the deputy. what would you think about summers as a fed chairman? >> well, if they have that policy by design in the 1990s, not just on monetary policy but also restraining government spending and deregulation and the other good things that happened during the clinton years, then i think it would be great to have larry summers not only in charge of the fed but in charge of president obama east's economic policy overall. i'm not sure deep down he believed in the policies. >> that's the thing, before we complete this. there are two different larry summers. in the clinton years summers was a fiscal conservative and solid man working under robert rubin. in the obama years he becomes a free spending tstimulus guy. i don't know if he is for obama care, would the real larry summers please stand up, d

putting in the secondary barrier through the studies which have been shown, two different studies, the catotca, both of the studies show the secondary barriers are the most cost-effective and the best method in order to protect the cockpit from a breach. >> do you know whether or not the foreign air carriers are going to keep the double locking doors? because there is no requirement for u.s. airlines to keep the double locking doors, but as i understand it, a number of the foreign carriers are going to keep them. >> yerks they wis, they will ke. ll doesn't even have to worry about keeping the double barriers. the whole area is set up for the pilots and the crew. they have their meal, they have their rest facilities up there. they don't even have to come out. they have the perfect case scenario. the issue for us is we don't have the perfect case scenario and we need to make sure we do. we need to have hr 1775 be a mandate to make sure all of the airlines in america have a secondary barrier. studies have shown that the cockpit can be breached and we need to make sure that america is safe. >>

cato institute says washington better wake up. >> we better wake up. whether you're talking about what happened in detroit, the cities in california that have declared bankruptcy, whether you're looking at the european welfare states, all these things have the same basic underlying causes. when you have a very bad ratio of people who produce compared to all the people who have their snouts in the public trough you wind up with a financial disaster. with the federal government it's more entitlements with state and local governments, it's more very bloated government work forces and overly generous unfunded pensions but comes out to exactly the same results. this was the most predebilitiable chrysler in the world for detroit, just like a very predictable crisis for greece, and if don't do anything to control entitlements here in washington, it's the most predictable crisis for america. >> some might sale the comparison doesn't work. greece, some said, would really cause a problem for the entire unite it nations. -- european union but does detroit fully p

later, economists at the cato institute will discuss the impact of immigrants on the u.s.b market. about 45 minutes, we look at how the economy as faired in the obama administration with an economist of george mason university. then the future of u.s. energy production and consumption and we will talk with the administrator of the u.s. energy administration and [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] host: good morning, and welcome thisashington journal" friday, july 26, 2013. republican leaders distanced themselves yesterday from comments made by congressman steve king on immigration. ontoowa republican made verso remarks about illegal immigrants in an interview this week aired we would like to hear your on what the republican message should be on immigration. we will take calls from republicans only this morning. you can call us up that -- you can also find u

that's according to the cato institute, do you agree?ight help explain why the obama administration quietly announced it won't be trying to verify who qualify for subsidies for obama-care premiums. they are going to say if you qualify for a check from the government for obama-care subsidies you will get one and they won't try to confirm your income or any on the per qualifications. that may be a way to he dozen people into the system. that's one of the main problems. the incentives aren't there for the number of young healthy people to sign up that are necessary to keep this thing from going into what the actuaries call a death spiral. heather: right now the individual mandate is still in place and starting this october all individuals must get insurance or pay a fine. but as george will pointed out, the fine is 3-5 times less expensive than the insurance premiums. george will says they are not going to sign if you they can do elementary arithmetic which she can. he says the administration is counting on matter rationale. >> the beauty o

the cato institute hosted this event. it is about one that and a half hours. -- one hour and a half. >> since you did not come here to hear me talk about it, i will begin right away with an introduction. our first presenter will be professor madelin zavodny, the chair the economics department of agnes scott college in atlanta. she is a fellow at the american enterprise institute. her interests include economics of the family and immigration. she has published in dozens of academic journals, my favorite being "beside the golden door." our second presenter ethan lewis, a research fellow at the national bureau of economic research. previously he worked at the federal reserve bank of philadelphia. his research interest includes the interplay of different economic factors of production, the impact of technology and education on labor markets, and immigration. professor lewis has written almost a dozen pieces that have appeared in journals as well as numerous book chapters and other publications, most notably "analyzing how imm

this scream, it's only been te texted at this sol cato, right?that because they weren't looking for it elsewhere or because it's the only volcano known to scream? >> well, actually, versions of this phenomenon where you see increases in earthquake activity and an amplification of the noise has been seen in other sol volcanos, but it's really an extreme at readout which is interesting from a scientific point of view. jon: so my question is, i mean, if you monitor all the other known volcanic sites, are you going to be able to get screams every time? in other words, will it be a valid washing system? >> so far we haven't seen screams at other volcanos except hints of them here and there. on the other hand, there are lots of volcanos that aren't monitored or monitored very well, and this might be more common than we think. jon: what causes it? >> well, what causes it is as magma's moving up into the top of the volcano before it explodes out, it's actually pulsing the volcano, and that gives us the buy -- vibrations and the tremors that we detect and

cato is a libertarian think tank, but i will heavily regulate the question and answer session. please ask a relevant question and refrain from making an extended statement, please. with that, let's have some questions from the audience. yes, man right here in the front row. >> good afternoon. quick question, i did not see images of military applications for immigrant labor, and did you think about that or take that into consideration given all the ways in which we are spreading out our military across the world? >> for me? i am very ignorant of that. i've never seen any work on that, i never done any work on that. i'm interested in it, but i do not know. >> there is a representative who has introduced a bill to deal with that issue in terms of a modified dream act, so that is one application, but it is fairly small compared to the entire aspect. other questions? yes, right here. >> hi, i am a commentator. i wanted to ask and hear about what happens with unemployment in the low skilled labor, native labors, when immigrant laborers can occupy that, those jobs? what happens as a r

and mark cal brea, who is director of financial regulation studies at the cato institute. so happy to have you all here. >> thank you. >> jared, i want to start with you, in part because i can't believe this is the first time you have come to nerd land. >> what took us so long? i have a nerd land carrying card. >> that's exactly why i want you here because you're a very specific kind of nerd. tell me like what -- if i'm an ordinary person sitting at home on a sunday morning having my coffee, why do i care who the fed chairman is? >> well, first of all, let me congratulate you for actually making that introduction really exciting. >> okay. good. >> because the actions of the federal reserve have a tremendous impact on the economy that we all live in. your framing was exactly right. whose economy is it? and you gave a couple of examples of how the economy's working very well for a narrow slice at the top and not well at all for a lot of folks in between. one of the levers that the federal reserve controls is kind of roughly speaking setting the unemployment rate. their task

and i have watched as some of the libertarian cato economists will tell us, we have to open up r borders to bring in 55 million people because that's how we grow our economy and we can't grow our economy unless we do that. the fertility rate is higher with illegal immigrants. i think that's drawing a conclusion that's not supportable by the data that's out there. might be by just observation. to give them jobs while americans are looking for jobs is the wrong thing to do. and just because someone increases the g.d.p. doesn't mean they are a net contributor to our society. anyone who is 50 years old and never worked a day in their life, that person hasn't contributed to the g.d.p., perhaps by what they consumed. they can't be a net increase. if that individual goes out and does an hour's worth of work and receive an hour's worth of pay and produces a product that has marketable value, they've contribute todd the gross domestic product by the value of that hour's work that they've contributed. so by that theory, cato economists say all the people we would legalize that are illegal today, p

economist the cato institute talk about the economic benefits of immigration. >> the director of national intelligence, james clapper spoke at the commencement. it is a federally chartered university vagrants degrees in strategic intelligence. it is celebrating its 50th anniversary. directorroduced by michael flynn. [applause] >> there is a lot of people out here that will receive bachelor's and master's degrees today, but i would want to re- emphasize what was just said, and i would say she has got a doctorate in the national anthem, and that was one of the most beautiful renditions of our national anthem. i would just like to give her another round of applause. [applause] i do not know where she is at. thanks very much to -- that is quite all right. they usually start out like that every time i talk.[laughter] for everybody that has got kids or families, there is everybody on the stage and all of us has gone through these ceremonies. do not worry about kids one bit. we appreciate them being here today. i wanted to say good morning to the graduates. i think what dr. ellison just said was

a paper published in 2012 by the cato institute found comprehensive immigration reform would raise wages, increase consumption, create jobs and increase revenue. it calculated a smaller benefit than c.b.o. but at least $1.5 trillion over 10 years. comprehensive immigration reform is not only morally right it's the economically right thing to do. i'm honored to stand with my colleagues today to push for these needed reforms. i yield back. mr. cardenas: thank you, congressman swalwell. ext we hear from congressman uiz of california. mr. ruiz: thank you for recognizing me. this is an issue that's very important to our great nation. we recognize that this system is broke . the passage of the bipartisan senate immigration bill a few weeks ago sends a strong message that the time for comprehensive reform is now. passing a commonsense comprehensive immigration reform bill will lead to an economic boob in our country. -- economic boon in our country. nonpartisan studies have shown that comprehensive immigration reforl will reduce the deficit by nearly $850 billion over the next 20 years and redu

that is live from the cato is at noon eastern. secretary of state john kerry was at the united nations in new york city today. he and the un's secretary- reportersoke to about a range of issues. here is a look. >> we have a lot to cover, so i will be brief what we are going to discuss. first of all, we will need to discuss the appalling situation in syria. the country is now continuing 2 1/2 years, more than 100,000 people have been killed, millions of people have been displaced or been refugees in neighboring countries. the violent actions must be stopped by both parties, and it is an imperative for a separate peace conference to begin in geneva as soon as possible. the joint special representatives and i will spare no efforts to start this meeting as soon as possible. the head of [indiscernible] and my high representative for disarmament have just visited syria, meeting senior officials of the syrian government, to discuss the modalities of investigation. we will get the report since they are coming out of syria now soon. on the

louis fed president and a senior fellow at the cato institute. it's great to see you today, sir.at i think you're implying in our pre-interview. that is that one thing we need when we get a new chairman or chairwoman and if we do get one, is someone who will be politically independent so the fed doesn't get behind the curve in terms of withdrawing all of this accommodation. but in saying that, do you think the fed has been too accommodative at this point? >> you're mixing up a couple different questions here. let me start with the latter point first. before the talk began, the taper talk began, everybody knew, everybody knew that the policy couldn't continue forever, that the fed would at some point reduce its purchases and wind down its portfolio. everybody knew that. inside the fed, outside the fed. so what do we make of the beginning of the fed's talk about it? how do we -- it wasn't news. but the market reacted, obviously, to the bernanke suggestion that maybe the time is not too far away. let me note that first. >> right. >> secondly, the fed hasn't actually done anything ye