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from egypt, 162, according to cato. why seven countries are on or off this list is truly myst mysterio mysterious. some newspapers have noted correctly that none of the muslim majority countries the have a trump hotel, building, or office are on the list. more broadly, cato points out that including 9/11, the chance of an american being killed by foreign terrorists on u.s. soil over that 41-year period is 1 in 3.6 million per year. being killed by a refugee, your chances are 1 in 3.64 billion per year. so there's really no rational basis for this policy. what explains it, then? i suppose it's what is explained so much of donald trump's political career. the exploitation of fear. from the birther campaign to the talk of mexican rapists, trump has always trafficked in fearmongering. this time, to stoke those fears and present himself as the country's protector, he chose to punish ordinary men, women, and children who are fleeing terrorism and violence, who are willing to brave the odds, bear the hardships, and separate fr

from the cato institute, this is almost two hours. >> folks are shuffling in. i'll go ahead and get started in the interest in encouraging them to -- everyone to congregate again. thanks to those of you who have stuck with us through a long and fascinating day at the 2016 cato institute surveillance conference. our last pair of flash talks is going to focus on some of the global aspects of u.s. surveillance, cato, of course, we're big fans of the constitution, we tend to focus very much on the 4th amendment and domestic law and how it regulates surveillance of american citizens and their rights, but the scope of american surveillance, both for law enforcement and intelligence purposes, is now really global in scale. and so as a result, it has implications for the human rights of people around the world, but also for our political and diplomatic and economic relationships with other countries, in particular the economic interests of u.s. companies that hope to do business around the globe. so to talk about two aspects of that, we have alan butler, senior counsel

david bier, with the cato institute.-- maher and-- daragh brian belski are also with us. what does he do to nominal gdp and the animal spirits that buttresses revenue, or do you completely remove this debate from what corporations will do? brian: we think this particular debate has nothing to do with how we are going to run -- tom: corporate behavior will stay the same? brian: corporate behavior has this new boost of confidence. it is almost like we are becauseting the economy of the loss of diminished returns with respect to monetary policy. now we are changing the chess pieces and it is about fiscal policy, incentivizing companies to grow again. we have this new confidence in terms of how we will run our business, based on the structural change with regulation, what we see with tax cuts and with respect to cash coming back. it is a new day. tom: let me throw on a chart with trump reflation. we have shown this many times, the election the next day. here is reflation, and the real question in here. we have really found a

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first we welcome chris edwards, the director of tax policy studies at the cato institute and editor of downsizing government.com. he is a top expert in federal and state tax and budget issues and before joining cato, he was a senior economist on the congressional joint economic committee. he has testified to congress on fiscal issues many times and his articles on tax and budget policies have appeared in the "washington post" and many other major newspapers. also joining us is robert puentas, a president of a nonprofit think tank with the mission of improving transportation policy and leadership. he was the senior fellow at the brookings institute metropolitan policy program. robert has worked extensively on a variety of transportation issues, infrastructure funding and finance and city and urban planning. he is a frequent speaker to a variety of groups, a regular contributor to newspapers and other media and has testified before congressional committees. finally, mark describener is a senior fellow at the competitive enterprise institute where he focuses on transportation, land use an

thanks to those who stuck with us, at the 2016 cato institute.is going to focus on the intelligence aspects. we tend to focus on the fourth amendment and do medicinmestic . this is really global in scale and so as a result it has implications for the human rights of people around the world but also for our political and diplomatic and economic relationships with other countries, in particular the economic interest of u.s. businesses who hope to do business around the world. we have allen butler who will talk about the sh rerems case. and talk about cross data, in figuring out what kind of jurisdiction applies with regard to law enforcement. >> thanks for having me. i'm happy to be here today to speak with you about a new international dimension over this u.s. surveillance authorities, many of you probably know about the sh rere decision, it was used by businesses to transfer personal data between the u.s. and the european union also led to a mandate of privacy agreement between the two governments and open up new challenges to surveillance activi

we'll begin with alan butler. >> thanks, julian, and cato for having me. happy to be here to speak with you about a new international dimension to this debate over surveillance authority. i'm talking to you about the shrems decision of the court of justice of the european union last year. this decision really up ended the primary mechanism that was used by businesses to transfer personal data between the u.s. and the european union. it also led to a renegotiation of privacy agreements between the two governments, and open odd up new avenues to challenge the surveillance activities. now, historically u.s. surveillance reform movement here has focused on statutory and constitutional limitations as julian mentioned that apply domestically, think about the debates over fisa and patriot act and acba and international groups engaged and vocal on these issues. but these issues haven't necessarily played -- these international issues haven't played a major role in congressional branch or policy may being on surveillance. that all changed after 2013 and the snowden

i hope you enjoyed your broader day here at the cato surveillance conference. we will turn it back over to julian here to send us to the exit. >> thank you to charlie and our discussants. our final speaker before we release you to the world and or happy hour and drinks, is sort of the dr. who of intelligence. or surveillance law. or surveillance law. somehow mysteriously he is there. the doctor showing up in the whole photo from the "titanic" and the battle of bull run. he was there at justice department as prosecutor in the '90s as courts were beginning to tame the wild west of cyber space by interpreting law in this new domain. and in 2008 will when the predecessor of the fisa in section 702 forced yahoo! to begin turning over information about client and in response to what some might call general warrant. mark was there. and as far as we know remains the only attorney to argue in front of the secretive foreign intelligence court and most recently when fbi and apple got into a tussle over their attempt to incrypt iphone drives, mark was there and called appl

. >>> welcome back from lunch to the afternoon session cato institute.e about the start flash talks, these are theme aticalat. prepared. we do not have questions following but do encourage you if you do have questions to follow-up on, our first two speakers who have biographies in greater details in the pacts will be addressing one of the oldest questions of political theory -- who guards the guardian? who watches the watchmen? how do you keep political power political once you have seated in the institution with the aim of safeguarding your right? our entire system of government is an elaborate answer to that question but particularly pressing when it comes to surveillance authority, when it comes to authorities that are by their nature secret, to the same kind of robust public and democratic accountability as much as the rest of what our government does, so we are going to begin with two short talks exploring different answers to that question in the context of surveillance, we will have an analyst at the arch street institute and the best dressed man,

thanks to those who stuck with us, at the 2016 cato institute.ng to focus on the intelligence aspects. we tend to focus on the fourth amendment and do medicinmestic . this is really global in scale and so as a result it has implications for the human rights of people around the world but also for our political and diplomatic and economic relationships with other countries, in particular the economic interest of u.s. businesses whoe

joining me now, dan mitchell from the cato institute.ay, it seems very radical, but there are those that say, you know what? this may have merit. what do you say? >> well, the meritorious part of it is that the current welfare system in most countries traps people in poverty. it says, okay, we're going to give you health benefits and housing benefits and food benefits and income benefits, but you can't work. and you start to work, we'll start taking all those goodies away from you. and so people get a clear message,he more i work, the less i get,, and it traps them n poverty. and that's one of the reasons a lot of people are intrigued by this idea, but here's the downside. what if there are people who are working, and there's this guaranteed income plan for the entire country, and some people working say, hey, i'd rather just sit at home all day and watch game shows and collect this check from the government? ashley: yeah. >> so it's actually going to be very interesting to see what happens in finland. i'm glad they're doing the experime

institute center for constitutional studies, and managing editor of the cato supreme court review. thank you so much for joining us on this very busy day. so, i will start with you, trevor, the two finalists we believe it is narrowed down to would be the tenth circuit judge, neil gorsuch, and then the third circuit judge, thomas hardiman. do their beliefs fall in line with those who voted for president trump? >> absolutely, they are reliable conservative votes, they definitely interpret the constitution in an originalist way, especially judge gorsuch, a really very good pick to fill antonin scalia's quite big shoes, especially his big rhetorical shoes. he is a very good writer, and even harder on the government many times than antonin scalia was, and importantly i think he is interpreting the fourth amendment according to the original meaning, and hardiman, too, could be relied upon to read the law, enforce the law, enforce the constitution as it was originally publicly understood. >> heather: elizabeth, your opinion on the two finalists? >> i think no matter which person on the li

the cato institute hosts a discussion about healthcare policy and alternatives to the affordable care act. policy analyst business at the heritage foundation discussed the trump administration proposals for infrastructure projects and their potential impact on jobs and the economy. this is just over an hour. >>> good afternoon. welcome to the heritage foundation in our douglas and sara allison auditorium. we welcome to those on our c-span.org for these occasions. we ask the courtesy that cell phones and other mobile devices have been silenced or turned off as we begin. for those watching online and here in house we remind everyone questions or comments can be sent at any time to speaker@heritage.org and post the program on the heritage home page for your future reference as well. leading our discussion today is michael sergeant research associate in our thomas a. rowe institute for economic policy studies an leads our efforts to formulate free market policies and overseas and schexamines infrastructure around the country. he is a regular contributor to the daily signal and his comment

single american was killed between 1975 and 2015 according to statistics from the conservative leaning cato institute. the views about this travel ban have been pretty mixed on social media. ethan looks at it this way. one skittle is poisoned, will you take a chance and eat one? that's the refugee situation. >> for anyone needing a reminder of why the travel ban matters a refugee is someone forced to leave home to escape persecution, war, or violence. >> do not call this u.s. travel ban, it is not my ban, i don't want it. it's the real donald trump's muslim ban and he is not america. #resist. what do you think. we'd love for you to log on to our wusa 9 social media pages. >>> gunmen in custody following a deadly shooting sunday night at a mosque in quebec city. six kills. five in critical condition. canada's prime minister called this a terror attack on muslims. as vladimir putin reports, police say one of the suspects called 911 to turn himself in. the gunfire erupted in mosque in quebec city sunday night during evening prayers. first responders are seen rushing to aid the wounded. of the

as a senior fellow at the cato institute of fascinating journal of regulation. en the expert the housing land and teaching in princeton at yale and a university of north carolina at chapel hill and "the washington post" and the "new york post" and also appearing on cnn, fox news and cnbc. earning him is doctorate from yale we will leave time for questions that the and. [applause] >> i am not a podium kind of speaker. put the microphone confines me to be here. i like to think i am teaching the class. so i thought i would start with some humor that is an adjective sunglass couple of weeks we have had some soul alive using the term the economist uses why do they always use the term style by fact perhaps i had no idea and i would look up the origin it comes from the article of the nobel prize-winning columnist and used the term to refer to the results of the alleged extend these that economists have come to expect as true. they are facts from the analytic studies that the economics profession will come to. so we start off from those congressional offices or anyone t

david bier is an immigration policy analyst with the us think tank cato institute.lenges mounted already. some people are saying that this is unconstitutional. what are your thoughts? it is my view that there is definitely illegal. under current law, the president is banned from taking into consideration nationality when issuing visas or denying entry to legal permanent rent —— residents are people who are coming here for permanent residency. under the current law, this would be an illegal action and i suspect that lawsuits will follow shortly. how can this be challenged. i would be through the courts? will it be using legislation? i think you will have a lawsuit. the courts will decide whether the president has this authority. he claims that he does. in 1965 congress amended the emigration laws of the united states to make it clear that the president cannot discriminate on the grounds of nationality and i expect that a lawsuit from failed, courts have reviewed provisions similar less or actions somewhat less of an earlier presidents and have found them illegal. so

former congressional budget office director douglas ekin it was called, quote, a good plan, by the cato institute. as a small business owner i can tell i my plan would put people back to work, encourage business and individuals to spend money they didn't have before and grow the economy. it's a thing called the american dream. while jump-start america is a small business perspective on tax reform, it will benefit every american individually and our nation as a whole. mr. speaker, i ask my colleagues, especially the newer members, to familiarize themselves with my plan as we work to implement an aggressive pro-growth agenda under new leadership on the other end of pennsylvania avenue. in god we trust. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the chair now recognizes the gentleman from oregon, mr. defazio, for five minutes. mr. defazio: during this president -- last presidential election year, there was a tremendous amount of discussion about the nation's infrastructure and the need for investment to make america more competitive, move goods, and our citizens more

the cato institute your changes foreign areled by a in america is 1 in 3.6 million. chances of being struck by lightning 1 in 700,000. host: you call it a religious test on twitter. used the hash tag muslim ban. president trump with a statement said the seven countries named in order are the same countries previously obama ied by the administration as sources terror and to be clear this is not a as the media is falsely reporting. it is about terror and keeping safe.untry why continue to use the muslim ban hash tag? president is lying. it is a muslim ban. countries we ese will ban people from coming to and give states priority to christians. that is a muslim ban. whatever you want. presidentani said the told me to write a muslim ban came down and s they had to modify large parts of it, it was such a poorly order.n executive host: the president made comparisons to whether former 2011 ent obama did in slowdown a six-month for refugees from iraq. talk about those comparisons. guest: sure. you said it yourself. it was not a ban. did more vetting. it was not a ban. that is

the way of the dream it is government and a big government kills the american dream that is why the catoplause] it gets in the way of human progress. >> absolutely the federal government has 2,300 subsidy programs that cause damage and harm the economy to make people dependent and reduce our freedom. farmers are happy to get $20 billion per year from the government but there reduces their freedom because it tells them what they can farm and how many acres so federal spending reduces freedom by in addition to all the damage. john: but spending is spending for job training, food stamps to help people to help them achieve the dream. >> know the difference every dollar the government spends a half to get it from some place either taxes or borrow it or they just print the money provides government gets big with more economic help but the growth rate falls there is a reason why france and italy grossed over them as also why hong kong and singapore erg grow faster. there is a relationship between economic growth anti-government. john: we grew fastest with a little government. >> right. of all t

by homeland security, biometric screenings, and only then are they allowed into the country and the cato just did a study and concluded that the likelihood of you or i being harmed were 1 in 6.34 billion. i think that's the odds of getting struck by lightning and winning the lottery in the same day. >> that's a year and a half to two years, how does religion form this? you're a man of the cloth you're a pastor? >> well, our historic calling as christians is to respond to the call of jesus who said whatever you would have done for you, do that for others, so we could ask yourselves if this was our children trapped the wore-torn areas, if they had been bombed out of their cities, homeless looking for a place to accept them what would we want done for them, so our call is not just in the last few decades, historically christians have recognized we need to welcome the most traumatized people, and right now 65 million people are displaced. we cannot shut the door on them. >> thank you very much for your insight on this. >> thank you. >> we also have reaction from pr britain's prime minister.

the cato people, you know, pat michaels have done some very good work on that. gene: forget what you guys agree about. richard: oh god for bid. gene: next question. >> being half british and half-korean i find this event rather interesting. my question is aimed directly at mr. preble. with the current norm with most countries being that if their sovereignty is attacked, that some sort of repercussion will be enforced by their allies do you not think it a more sensible policy position to take that if your sovereignty is attacked unfairly, there will be repercussions, whether it is from the united states or global allies? rather than saying that if you get attacked, we will not do anything. what kind of precedent does that set for russia with estonia and lithuania literally shaking in their boots? when trump says, we're just not going to do anything. christoper: well, i'm glad you brought up mr. trump. he did, for the record. you all heard him. the situation that the united states has created for the world and that richard has been a great defender of, has written

the cato institute's dan mitchell joins us at 8:30 eastern. stay tuned.awk box" is coming right back. cnbc's willie geist is here. he's going to stop by our new home after the break. whare i'va omoy >>> welcome back to "squawk box" this morning. the "today" show celebrating its 65th anniversary. willie geist is here. he's at the nasdaq to ring the bell, also to celebrate the sunday "today" show, which he runs. >> hi, guys. this is a little historic. i'm usually on tv on msnbc across the street. i've never been over to visit you in why your handsome digs. >> have you ever done this before? >> no, i've never rung a bell. what do you do? i don't know what to do. i don't want to be bad luck. >> the whole market is depending upon how you ring it. if you ring it poorly, the market will go down. >> and willie, it's friday the 13th. >> this is a total setup. i know it was down marginally yesterday. >> right now it looks good. green arrows already. you have that going for you. >> you press a button. then don't you have to sign your name? >> yes. and we're doing it

a new report issued by the cato institute looked at the number of americans killed by foreign nationalsetween 1975 and 2013. during that time no americans were killed by immigrants from the nations that president trump has now temporarily banned from entering the country. a different report released by duke university tracks how often americans are linked to terrorists plots here in the u.s. and that show that 23% has family backgrounds from that those countries. >>> oakland's core mott zu was depicted on google. his unsuccessful days went to the supreme court. california have celebrated this day since 2011. but many note it's taking an added significance this year as the fight over human rights have taken center stage under president trump. >>> a field trip fiasco. nbc bay area responds to a south bay teacher who ran into trouble getting a refund from b.a.r.t. >>> where you can get a cut of coffee served by a robot. two people are recovering tonight...after an early morning car crash on a san jose overpass. it happened on the >>> two people are recovering tonight after an early morning

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the cato institute determined the chance of getting killed by a terrorist attack caused by a refugee is 1.36 billion a year. you're three time more likely to be killed by a fellow american with a gun and that a jihady terrorists. and what about the iraqis who have worked with the united states in the war against terror? how can we leave them behind? i'm mindful that syrian refugees face a hobson's choice of siding with bashar al assad or isis. instead, many fleed. the move seems at odds which gives safe haven to those who escape persecution. the united states did nothing to warrant the 9/11 attack, which claimed 3,000 innocent lives of our citizens, but our toppling of saddam hussein in search of wmd did tip an important domino that contributed to the destabilization of the region, wreaking havoc from which some of these refugees are now fleeing. plus, as my colleague peter bergen documented in his book "the united states of jihad" there have been roughly 375 cases of terror prosecuted in america since 9/11, four out of five of them have been american citizens or legal residents. the

i spent three years in washington running cato.not enthused about going back into that environment. one of my gut level issues is can you really change the bureaucracy? it is easy for somebody like obama who wants more government to get more government bureaucrats to do, take more power. but trying to -- neil: that being said, that leads to nice things. janet yellen had that job. it can be pretty cool. >> well, that is a good point. that's a good point. you know, again, depends on the job. ex. neil: okay, would a fed job interest you? >> it would depend on what happens with janet. janet and i are not aligned in terms of fed policy. that would be a tough challenge. neil: but we've had it where the vice-chair and chair have not really been golfing buddies or bowling buddies, pick your sport. but i mean, it's been done, right? >> yeah i agree with that. i'm fairly, you know, i think the fed has done a lot of damage to the economy. i think it needs a radical level of discipline that it doesn't have. it doesn't need to have the discreti

louis cato! thank you, louis. beautiful.now, jon, jon, did you-- did you get an invitation to the inaugural today? >> jon: no, i invitation. >> stephen: i did not get mine, either. i've been waiting for mine. >> jon: i've been checking for it. it never came. >> stephen: damn u.s. post office. you know who got invited, though, every member of congress gets invited. 60 member dpaements lawmakers decided not to go for various reasons. they did a bunch of different things. in fact, actually, the congressman for this district, where this theater is, jerry nadler actually didn't go. >> jon: man. >> stephen: instead, instead, he actually came to the show today. jerry nadler is right there. hey, jerry! ( cheers and applause ) good to see you! good to see you! always fun. always nice to see you. my first guest tonight just released his fifth standup special. and like all of them they're fantastic! please welcome one of my favorite comedians, jim gaffigan! ( cheers and applause ) ♪ ♪ ♪ keep on rockin' in the free world ♪ >> stephen: n

the cato institute has tally ie the number of americans killed by citizens of the seven countries banned from 1975. from iraq, zero. iran, zero. syria, zero. from somalia, zero. from libya, row and from sudan, zero. the same, about 3,000 americans were killed by citizens from saudi arabia. united arab emirates and egypt in that same time period. nations that are not on this list of countries that are part of this travel ban. i want to bring in now cnn's international diplomatic editor nic robertson. so, you look at those numbers and what does that tell you about how this ban has been implemented and even how being received overseas. >> it's been rolled out in such a way that people overseas in particular in the countries affect affected among the allies in europe and elsewhere in the world, that they can't understand because the logic hasn't been laid out for them. however, that said, there will be understanding because they will look at countries like yemen. al-qaeda's best bombmaker, if you will, lives there. he made the underpants bomb that a nigerian wore on the plane that landed in

and the cato institute just did a study on the danger posed by refugees and concluded that the likelihood of you or i as american citizens being harmed by a refugee were 1 in 3 of 6.5 billion. that's the likelihood that we would win the lottery and get struck by lightning in the same day. >>> for more on the impact, our correspondent joins us from amman. what's the impact not just in jordan but across the region. >> reporter: i think there's a lot of shock here and uncertainty, of course, while, you know, these seven countries are impacted now. when you talk to people even here in jordan, not impacted by the ban, it's the concern that the administration is unpredictable. the decisions seem to be happening so fast that people are concerned this could be the debin i beginning. for example, you have so many students from the arab and the muslim world study in the united states, including some jordanian students. and there is a fear that if they leave america on holiday, they come back to their home countries, they might not be allowed back in all of the sudden. so there is that concern and t

indicate cato institute. the chances a citizen killed by a refugee 1 in 3.6 million. more likely to be hit lby lightning. >> i am not sure if it is one in three billion or whatever, odds are incredibly low. you're 3,000 more times likely to be killed by a fellow american and gun than you are by a jihadi terrorist. i mean, if you want to do something about terrorism in this country, there's an easy way to do it. through the campaign, president trump suggested he contemplated this idea, makes no sense people are on the no fly list allowed to buy semi automatic weapons, remains the case. a bill in congress you recall after the orlando attack, but they failed. but that's a common sense measure that would make a difference. >> i have a time con stranstrai i want to get this in. nobody knows al qaeda or isis like you. you interviewed osama bin laden. you, peter bergen toured that compound, the only western journalist to get access before they raezed it. does this play into -- are they celebrating, does this not play into their hands? >> i would say, michael, trump has not b

alex of the cato institute, a conservative think tank has tallied the number of americans killed by citizens of the seven countries banned from 1975 to 2015. they are as followed. from iraq, 0. from iran, 0. from syria, 0. from yemen, 0. from libya, 0. from somalia, 0 and from sudan, 0. incident that number from saudi arabia is 2,369. from egypt it's 162. why certain countries are on or off this list is truly mysterious. some newspapers have noted that none of the muslim majority countries have a trump hotel, building or office are on the list. including 9/11, the chance of an american being killed by foreign terrorists on u.s. soil over that 41 year period is 1 in 3.6 million per year. been killed by a refugee the chances are 1 in 3.64 billion per year. there's no rational basis for the policy. i suppose what's explained so much of donald trump's political career, the exploitation of fear. from the birther campaign to the talk of mexican rapist, trump has already trafficked in fear mongering. this time to stoke those fears, he chose to punish ordinary men, women and children who are fleeing

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alex of the cato institute, a conservative think tank tallied the number of americans killed by citizensbanned from 1975 to 2015. they are as follows. from iraq. zero. from iran. zero. from syria, zero. from yemen. zero. somal somalia, zero. and sudan, you guessed it, zero. incidentally that number from saudi arabia is 2,369 from the uae 216, why certain countries are on or off this list is truly mysterious. some newspapers have noted correctly that none of the muslim majority countries that have a trump hotel building or office are on the list. more broadly, it is pointed out that including 9/11, the chance of an american being killed by foreign terrorist on u.s. soil over that 41 year period is 1.36 million per year. being killed by a refugee, your chances are 1 in 3.64 billion per year. there's no rational basis for this policy. what explains it then? i suppose what's explained so much of donald trump's political career. the exploitation of fear. from the birther campaign to the talk of mexican rapists, trump has always trafficked in fear mongering. this time, to stoke those fears and