constitutional rights joining me to discuss this is julian sanchez research fellow at the cato institute julian thanks so much for being here tonight it was a pleasure i mean am i right or am i right i understand there is a need to combat piracy but this feels like a bit of a drastic measure to take you know musically feels like an industry that is not really come to terms with the fact that it enjoyed this incredible boom in the ninety's when lots of people were buying their entire vinyl and the second lections on cd and then once that was done and people could just transfer there he used to form that kind of boom of people rebuying the whole collection again one format string just doesn't happen again so they're sort of failing to come to grips with this you know trying to pretend that somehow if they can you know to clap hard enough and stamp out piracy you know the industry will be saved in this case here it's a really unusual kind of measure they're all kinds of situations in which there are warrantless inspections but it's usually not in the context of just ordinary criminal law enforceme

information and are they even the worst offender of this process with me is julian sanchez research fellow at the cato institute thanks so much for being here tonight it's always a pleasure first of all are you with me here right seven hundred million users worldwide these are pictures addresses names entire networks that you build depending on who your friends are and who are connected to you is that the biggest known database in the world. i think actually i got to say may take the cake for that but we already knew they were a spy machine i think if you want to sort of think about the private entity that has the amount of data that if you thought about a government having it you would think gosh that must be a police state probably google you know would take the cake on that because they cross so many domains and because they're integrated in so many other and so many other web sites and pieces of software and we talk about things like google analytics that are built into lots of other pagers and google ads that are tracking ip addresses that are serving ads to i think they may have principles the bigger reac

and sharper taishan so what do we know about it or the us this with me is julian sanchez a research fellow at the cato institute joined thanks so much for joining us tonight so we just found out minutes ago that in fact it did pass the senate despite all of rand paul's efforts he really did become the lone man here at the end of the day but we'll get back to some of the wrangling amongst the politicians first let's talk about this this provision that apparently the government is secretly applying their own their own lives to it the only one of the more disturbing things about the framework of flies and one of the reasons oversight and limits are so important is unlike most other forms of law the decisions of the size of court or for the most part classified your opinions of the office of legal counsel on how the justice department allowed to apply these. provisions of the patriot act are secret or classified and the result of that is you know in reality we think of the law as the statute on the page but you know if you think about how we interpret the constitution you know it's what courts rule it's what courts

this really does not look like a good sign so your discuss this with me is julian sanchez a research fellow at the cato institute joint thanks so much for being here tonight thank you for starters i don't know if that is that ironic is that just tragic already hearing about privacy and then here it comes you know this official who says we want less of it. not very surprising though in fact when she also testified a month or two ago. at a previous hearing that was about data retention. problem justice and law enforcement really would like to use laws to require not just phone companies but all sorts of electronic communications providers to retain more and more data because they find it so useful but are now becoming frustrated because not all. companies keep the same amount of data for the same amount of time and it's actually an interesting kind of way of doing a little weird and run around the for the money because it doesn't protect in the same way information that is stored by a third party like a telecom so they have this kind of clever two step they couldn't get you know mr this information from you direct