joining me is united continental chairman of government affairs, and former commission pilot mike caulfieldanks for joining us. i was taken aback the way muilenburg went at this conference. perhaps he was guided by consultants and lawyers but there was no, no signs that he was truly contrite. there was no signs that bowing had any authentic culpability at all. i call it the black swan offense. in other words everything went wrong in quote-unquote links of events but us. faa mid mistakes. max system was not used right because it was too complex and pilot error. what did you make of it. >> i was deeply concerned, charles, thanks for having me today. i was deeply concerned by boeing's response. boeing and the faa as you know met last week, charles, to talk about ongoing solutions. we're in a period of a 30-day comment period, public comment period about that. our firm, wings global partners, we'll be making a comment what we believe going forward the faa needs to look at, especially in pilot training. we think the current policy of no simulator training is the wrong approach and we're deeply c