the reason was that president johnson had decided to send the 1st cav to vietnam, and they were in the process of building up the unit. and so here they had a guy who wanted to go on order somewhere else, and they changed my orders and sent me to the 1st cav. when i reported at ft. benning within that two-week period, there was something like that, you know, i forget the number of officers, 2,000, 3,000 officers reporting in at the same time to fill the division to its full complement of officers. >> so you volunteered in the strictest sense of the words for this particular -- for vietnam in a troop command? >> that's true. >> you were 18 special forces? >> right. '63-64. >> so you were there during the advisory effort, you saw the changeover to a u.s. ground troops operation, and in between you were in graduate school? >> no. i was in the armored officers career course in between. i went to graduate school after i came back from this assignment, from the calvary. >> you were class of '58? >> class of '58 at west point. >> so the 1st air cav was formed up about 18 months before that, had been undergoing training as a