and that concerns me. >> mark claxton, jim cavanaugh, thanks to both of you. i want to go back, if i can, to ali velshi, who has watched all of this unfold. ali, let me ask you what we were just talking about with mark and with jim cavanaugh, is where does the city of minneapolis go from here after what you have seen tonight, having been in the middle of it and felt the mood of the people and important to point out the diversity of the people in that crowd, where does minneapolis go come morning? >> you know, chris, i'm canadian. minneapolis is one of my favorite cities, because it's like a canadian city. people are laid back, they don't mind the cold. this is a place it doesn't feel like it does tonight. it has felt this way for couple of years, since maybe 2015. they've had some serious issues with the police and population, particularly the african-american population. and they tried to get some of it right, but tonight, this week got really bad. i have to say, you've been talking about this for a while on tv tonight. with a lot of these guests who say ther

and that concerns me. >> marq claxton, jim cavanaugh, thanks to both of you.back if i can out into the field where ali velshi has been throughout the evening and watched all of this as it unfolds. ali, let me ask you what we were just talking about with marq and with jim cavanaugh, is where does the city of minneapolis go from here? after what you've seen tonight, having been in the middle of it, felt the mood of the people of that city. and again, important to point out the diversity of the people who are in that crowd. where does minneapolis go come morning? >> this is -- >> come daylight. >> you know, chris, i'm canadian. minneapolis is one of my favorite cities because it's like a canadian city. people are laid back here. they don't mind the cold. you know, this is a place that is -- it doesn't feel like it does tonight. it has felt this way for a couple of years, though. actually more than a couple years. probably since about 12015. they've had some fairly serious issues with the police and the population, particularly the african-american population. and

i want to bring in now marx claxton, retired new york city police detective, as well as jim cavanaugh, former atf special agent in charge and an msnbc contributor. mark, let me start with you and just get your take on the fact that now they're asking people to get out of there. they believe that there is potentially explosive -- literally explosive situation as well as figuratively explosive situation. but our correspondents on the ground for a couple of hours have seen no sign of national guard, seen no sign of police. your assessment of what you're seeing right now. >> well, i think it's obvious just based on the video that's being transmitted from the location that the level of the threat of danger to human life has increased exponentially in the past several hours, and that is, you know, the whole tone and tenor of demonstrations in general are changed when darkness sets in. and then you add into it the visceral reaction of those individuals who perhaps want to come out and merely voice their protest. you mix that in with individuals who have alternate agendas perhaps, who are the

will they say i believe her the way they did with the cavanaugh accusers?ven though they didn't have half the corroboration, they didn't have any actually. nor do they have a haunting call from the mother of any of the accusers. are they going to comb through biden's yearbooks from high school like they didn't cavanaugh? will they call for him to stand down for the party's nominees? will they say i believe, in this case, tara reade appeared that's what they demanded in the cavanaugh case without any corroborating evidence whatsoever. she has witnesses, she has her mother's phone call. she filed the report. at the very least, joe has nothing to hide it, and he wants to be transparent like he says he does, he can just release all the personnel files on tara reade appeared and now there reportedly stored up with his records. now we know staff was in there already. biden, doesn't seem interested in that level of transparency. speaks volumes, take a look. >> why not approve a search of her name in those records? >> prove a search of her name? >> anything that mi

that's -- that's a problem. >> during the cavanaugh hearings, biden said dr. ford should be given the benefit of the doubt. ali vitali, nbc news, washington. >> let's get your first check of today's weather with nbc meteorologist janessa webb happy monday. >> happy monday, you two good morning, everyone what a wonderful weekend hopefully, you got to step outside this weekend, while practicing social distancing our temperatures were way above average. finally, hitting 80 degrees for the first time this year in new york city. right now, temperatures are very much on the warm side, and that will continue throughout your afternoon. but we are dealing with just a quick burst of rain that's really impacting washington, d.c. it's currently making its way offshore but most of the northeast is staying dry throughout your overnight. now, the next section of the country that we'll be watching for the next 24 hours is the severe weather threat across the southern plains, into areas of tennessee. where we just have about under 5 million people that will be r afternoon. we'

look, imagine proposing that during cavanaugh.t the rnc would run an investigation looking into the allegations. they would be left out of the room. in this argument from david axelrod and others that you know, if it was okay for obama, that he vouches for joe biden, then it should be accepted across the board, again, trusted biden, trust obama argument is ridiculous. democrats have paved themselves into a corner here, they don't have good answers, a couple years ago, it was believe women, believe all women coming forward, and now, it is trust joe biden. >> dana: marie, so, i think that democrats are just going to coalesce behind joe biden regardless. i truly do. you saw, over the weekend, none of the high profile democrats moved away from joe biden in anyway. so i think that's going to happen, but what about how this has refocused republicans minds about how brett kavanaugh was treated when he was going through the supreme court nomination. for example, he had gone through senate vetting. this argument that the obama team is maki

i want to bring in now marx claxton, retired new york city police detective, as well as jim cavanaugh, former atf special agent in charge and an msnbc contributor. mark, let me start with you and just get your take on the fact that now they're asking people to get out of there. they believe that there is potentially explosive -- literally explosive situation as well as figuratively explosive situation. but our correspondents on the ground for a couple of hours have seen no sign of national guard, seen no sign of police. your assessment of what you're seeing right now. >> well, i think it's obvious just based on the video that's being transmitted from the location that the level of the threat of danger to human life has increased exponentially in the past several hours, and that is, you know, the whole tone and tenor of demonstrations in general are changed when darkness sets in. and then you add into it the visceral reaction of those individuals who perhaps want to come out and merely voice their protest. you mix that in with individuals who have alternate agendas perhaps, who are the

, she accused brett cavanaugh of assaulting her when she was a teenager.. what he said today was yes, you do of course need listen to people, you need to presume they're need listen to people, you need to presume they‘ re speaking need listen to people, you need to presume they're speaking in good faith, but he said you still have to try and assess whether things are true or not. gary o'donoghue reporting there in washington. we are told of tara reade is giving an interview on sunday. of course this is going to affect the nomination forjoe biden because a lot of those senators did sit in on those trials, the confirmation in 2018. more to come here on bbc news. good evening. we've seen plenty of turbulence guidelines and some hefty downpours to go with them. but equally a little bit of sunshine in between. however, those hefty showers will continue to keep coming as we go through the rest of this evening and it's all down to this area of low pressure. that will reenter a little bit further east but away from the british isles to the weekend, allowing a decr

i said during the cavanaugh hearings was that she had a right to be heard, and the fact that she cameward, the presumption would be that she is telling the truth unless it is proof that she was not telling the truth. >> juan: so greg, does this give the democrats cover holding to the standard that people now have heard from tara reid? and now joe biden has spoken on tara reid? >> greg: i will take biden at his word, i presume that she is telling the truth. that's exactly what he said. they have not disproven it. so we have to presume that she is telling the truth. look, biden was doing great in that interview until he confessed. you know, first he has a total denial. that was pretty good. the denial was strong, and then he said at the complaint, you know, i don't know why all of a sudden, 27 years, this gets raised. what is this? what is this? that is interesting. i will pursue that, and bringing up a lot of the cooperating, very tough word to say, cooperating with evidence. what about the phone call, i thought it was interesting, that was around the '90s. what is fun is watching the

what democrats had at the time was investigate cavanaugh. what are they saying right now?iden is saying to the senate, release the records. when the senate came out and said they can't, biden responded immediately, let's find a way. i think that is one of the key differences. biden has been transparent. i think he was a little slow in responding personally, but once he started responding, he has been nothing but calling for transparency, whether it was sitting down for a pretty tough interview to addressing directly calling for an investigation, asking the senate to release all the records. and all while doing it in a way that is incredibly respectful to tara. >> bill: we need to see the document. i'm not sure how we get to that. here is tom. he was asked about it on abc. this is on sunday. speak to barack obama had any indication there was an issue, barack obama would not have had him as his vice president. barack obama trusted joe biden. i trust joe biden. those investigations have been done. this is like the hillary emails. because there was nothing there. >> bill: perh

anchor: joining me from new york, rebecca cavanaugh, criminal defense attorney.e past hour or so it was announced derek chauvin, former minneapolis police officer, has been charged with third-degree murder. what does that mean? rebecca: there are degrees of murder. he could have been charged with first or second degree and they chose third. third-degree murder is what we call depraved indifference murder, meaning it is not intentional murder. i think that is a real problem here, the problem being that what made this video so horrific was that you saw a police officer with his knee on mr. floyd's neck for 11 minutes. i do not know how many people watched the whole video. as disturbing as it is to see the police officer with his knee on mr. floyd's neck, not oy while he was saying he could not breathe, but at least four minutes after mr. floyd was clearly unconscious, was the most disturbing part of it and evidence that what happened there was deliberate and calculated. to charge the police officer with murder that is not tentional is not going to be reassuring to

supreme court justice matt cavanaugh face multiple accusations during his confirmation hearings. >> it was all of her every newspaper in the country every day, weeks and weeks on end. >> i think the republicans are being let off much too easily, what biden today sat down for an interview to be questioned at some length based on his statement, i've yet to see president trump questioned on the many allegations of sexual misconduct. >> if this is one woman with one allegation that can't be proven, then joe biden probably emerges from this relatively unscathed. >> reporter: latebreaking on the story, biden is sending a letter to the secretary of the senate asking for the location of the possible harassment claim that was filed by tara reade 27 years ago, the letter reads, in part, quote saying i request you take or direct whatever steps necessary to establish the location of the records of this office and once they have been located to direct a search for the alleged complaint and to make public the results of the search. we will have much more on the story throughout the day and on cbsn b

women accused is to be believed to be during the french cavanaugh scandal image not defended the man who set to be the standard bearer in the election that's just six months away. and games that tells us more. i'm not suggesting she had no right it was a categorical denial. breakining his silence over an accusation of sexuaual assault against him joe biden clalaimed the incident never happened. adding that he had no recollection of the complaint being maintained. so would you please go on the record with the american people. did you sexually assault terror rate. no it is not true. i'm saying unequivocally it never never happened didn't never happened. the democratic candidates has accused assaulting a former member of his senate staff in the early nineteen nineties tara reid says she filed an official complaint at the time of the alllleged incident bututo far this hasn't been released. biden has said he doesn't believe that such a record exists. but he's treading a delicate line some democrats worry that the party risks being portrayed as hypocritical if they say they do believe bide

also passionate in his praise for forward and distaste for justice cavanagh hear me out of this so cavanaughets confirmed to supreme court ok well in return we get to cut that pesky penis of his off. you know that's what i did even though there was 0 evidence against cavanagh kimmel still felt the need to get involved in the conversation because he clearly is all about empowering women only in my pants and you're allowed to. on the outside of the pants you have 10 seconds to then guess what is here and why you should use 2 hands to have. more. if you put your mouth on. so when we hear about the media wanting to support women the need to move appears to have a bias they only seem to believe women who have allegations against conservatives and not liberals steve. i felt that that camel thing is still in my head no that's not true the question has to be. made. reconcile the hypocrisy and you know and survive it just because it's the same hypocrites running it if you will the answer is probably yes. yeah steve i mean it's a great point because the hypocrisy is so apparent here as you say even a

stands in stark contrast to the way democrats and biden rallied around supreme court nominee brett cavanaugh's> there should be a presumption of innocence across the board. however, you can't just apply it, only, to people who you agree with, politically. that's -- that's a problem. >> during the kavanaugh hearings, biden said dr. ford should be given the benefit of the doubt. ali vitali, nbc news, washington. >> up next, hiding behind the front lines. the search for a pair of thieves posing as nurses. >> and fists fly on a flight t y s .a. to detroit buwhwano one arrested for this brutal beatdown ter what i d someone might see see my bladder leak underwear. so i was constantly double-checking. know what i mean? so, i switched. to always discreet boutique. it's shape-hugging elastic threads smooth out the area that people notice most. so it fits better than depend. and, the super absorbent core turns liquid to gel. so i get secure protection, in a fit that no one notices. always protected. always discreet. and all the big things here'sthey add up to.things like a shower enriched with a little

i want to bring in jim cavanaugh. terrorism analyst. we weren't expect to go book you this morning either, jim. i want to talk to you about this. this is remarkable. we've now heard from be, i think it was the commissioner of the minnesota department of safety, john harrington who said they are now going to begin contact tracing. the same kind of contact tracing that has to be done now to try to fight the covid vaccine, meaning trying to find the origins of hotspots for covid, they're now using that same technique to try to take the people that they've arrested and to trace them to see if they are using these protests to disguise illegal activity and crimes. your thoughts on all of this, jim. >> well, joy, your guests are absolutely right. let me put this historically for just a second and then go right to the point. you know, i grew up in new jersey. my dad was a firefighter. i remember the riots in '68 after dr. king was murdered. i remember the troops in the streets. firemen killed vividly. in my 36 years in law enforcement, i served

claims she was fired why is the media handling this so differently than the way they did with justice cavanaugh where everybody assumed that you know he was this teenage rapist. well a story broke when. her mother called my old show on c.n.n. 27 years ago to say that a prominent send there had seen use the word attack a forget the words she use but she didn't name the senator and then later a candle light that the senator was by the mother has since passed away a daughter who is making the charge is the media treating them differently and probably a little less me too moment though has captured everybody. i feel sorry for everybody involved that trump with his 20 accusations biden with now this accusation i think it's the b. 2 movement you know on i'm a supporter of the me too movement because sometimes it can go too far in this case they'll be a full investigation i think that joe biden will have to open his senatorial records completely there on file at the university of delaware what was that me your question was was the media treating boldin really the answer is yes. is the media more liber

very least there they require a rigorous investigation just as rigorous as the allegations of jim cavanaugh got but the democratic party doesn't want to do that and they have gone so far as to even push journalists at the outlet outlets like the new york times to change parts of the stories that they publish about that now they're shaming christie you and saying that he should be fired for even reporting on this issue and the media is complicit in covering it up in shaming terror read in making her the problem and basically saying ok we need to but not if it's about our guy joe and that that's next of just great and disgusting hypocrisy. and sean this one's for you do you think we'll be seeing more democratic party members like a ana presently essentially break ranks and call out the hypocrisy they're saying in their own party treatment of revalidation. well i don't doubt that we may see some i mean i think we'd make history of democratic party or at a point where the allegations are pitched now and there's so much energy and attention to them that they can't really ignore them so i don't s

the disparity in coverage between how the media was covering brett kavanaugh or did cover break cavanaugh and the sexual assault allegations and are covering joe biden watch. the media should not apply kavanaugh standard to any public figure the blanket and absolute standard of simply believing all women it's a notion we just missed here on the show early on and standards for the media in covering sexual assault allegation needs to be to report the facts listen to the accuser and give the accused full to process both men and women. what do you think of that i was shocked by that and the whole interview to be quite frank with you i've been if. well you know i actually think you're giving her a little too much credit for 2 reasons one is if you listen to the tone of her interview it was soft respectful darragh putin could just contrast me because tone with the tone of any trump press conference and you'll see the difference between a rabbit and direction and this kind of monkey or gentle drawing out the facts that's the 1st point i think is a 2nd point this new standard of listening to the

is there any irony for democrats, in particular, because of the #metoo movement in the way that cavanaughas treated -- kavanaugh was treated? or can the democrats thread that needle? jeanne: it is a difficult balancing act, because on the one hand they support his candidacy, and on the other hand they have been the most vocal champions of the #metoo movement and the brett kavanaugh hearing raises a question of hypocrisy. i think the real thing to think about is how are the organizations, the corporations, and the senate in which the individuals were working, how did they handle these allegations and how can they be vetted 26 or 27 years later. i think democrats have a balancing act, but they have to be clear in calling for a full investigation, transparency, or openness, there is no question about that. david: it is not just the democrats, president trump has challenges. there are reports that his approval ratings have been suffering because of the coronavirus although he tweeted out a gallup poll that said he was doing all right. what is his situation. some people are warning him that th

that is burden shifting, classic democratic strategy to shift the burden onto cavanaugh or other republicans under any sort of accusation, and that is simply a power grab. and he shifts the burden back to due process, to the constitutional standard, when it works for him. regardless of the truth of the matter, joe biden can already be convicted and looped the court of public opinion because he is proving that he is not only fully transparent, but he is hypocritical, he doesn't want to believe all women when he works for him, and then when it doesn't work for him, he's willing to completely at the critical period of this is something that shows absolutely, he's unfit for office. >> shannon: let me bring kevin in here. "the new york times," not a conservative publication, tonight the editorial board has that piece out talking about the fact that he has asked for the senate secretaries to release these things. but also says, that's not enough. it doesn't go far enough, any serious inquiry must include the trove of records that are currently at the university of delaware. they admit, it's going

>> susan: the difference was cavanaugh is, he was before the senate of the nominee. he had to basically sit there and be grilled by the senate about this, and be subjected to additional fbi inquiries. it neither trump nor biden is in that position. i think, going forward, what this does is -- i think this could hurt biden in some sense. if voters who are looking for an alternative to trump based on personality flaws they see in the president, will now look at biden, and say, they're all like this. they are kind of -- each one is flawed. a kind of takes away some of the shine off of biden as a candidate who would serve that purpose for the party. i think that's one of his biggest problems. i gun, he's got months before the election he's got more time for him to talk about this and to defend himself. but there's also more time for other people to come out with corroborating statements, other stories that may come out about biden in his time in the senate or otherwise. if the 1990s were a different time in the senate. i worked there in the 90s. anything could pop up. i

not look at it to allegations" yet when it was cavanaugh it was all about how to destroy him.me tell you, joe biden has a -- it's not only a pattern of lying, a pattern of flip-flops that i think really weakens his candidacy. you look at the travel restrictions where the president talked about putting travel restrictions on china. >> sean: well, no. he flipped on it three days later. >> that's right. >> sean: is this done thanks? march 2nd, go out on the town. here are my recommendations. march 10th he was saying every things fine. march, they said we are prepar prepared. "we're not like these other countries." then the executive order. they sent cobit patience to nursing homes and not the ones that trump built. now they want to tax people that came in and volunteered to put themselves in harm's way for new york. now they are going to tax you. what a nice way to say thank y thank you. >> i want to see more about what the origin of that story is about the taxes. but new york has known them. if you come in and to spend a week, month, working in new york they try to get you. if t

during the cavanaugh hearing, the mantra especially from biden especially was, "believe all women.s saying if you believe all women and you believe tara reade was telling the truth and you should not vote for me. but can joe biden really afford to see people who might vote for him even if they think tara reade is telling the truth and decided not to vote for him if it was going to be this close of a race? >> i think he's being absolutely honest. what he said last night was right. first of all we have to believe the woman and have to look into this and he laid this out and said it, investigate it fully. but if you come to a different conclusion he understands that. i think politically we understand this is about as honest and straightforward as he can be and i think voters will respond to that. >> dana: he's had two good story lines, now this week the michael flynn questions about him being on the list and having unmasked michael flynn. he's not having to compete with president trump either physically because he's not leaving the house due to concerns, what is the message at this po

and look, in the case of cavanaugh, they had no corroborating witnesses.a deceased mother calling into the larry king show, there is a lot that needs acclamation. if. >> laura: he kept saying throughout the interview it didn't happen, it didn't happen. but what about the files, it didn't happen. if it didn't happen, who cares about the files? >> mika brzezinski did a terrific interview today, after the initial denials which look to scripted when pressed, he started qualifying things. listen closely. >> i am absolutely positive that nobody that i am aware of ever was been made aware of any complaint made by tara reade against me. at the time this allegedly happened 27 years ago, or until i announced for president. i guess it was april or may. >> laura: in a letter tonight, biden finally asked the secretary of the senate to locate those documents. what do we know about that? could that finally put an end to it? >> laura, initially he said it was in the national archives. i spoke to someone there this morning, they said they weren't there. now, they are askin

so if the standard is as he alleged in the cavanaugh allegations that you are guilty until proven innocenten i agree with tara reade coming he should withdraw, and if the standard is the rule of law that there is a presumption of innocence until proven guilty, then i would like to know from the biden camp and people like kevin that support him, would you ask for him to send a letter and an open apology to justice brett kavanaugh and all the campus sexual assault claims and walk back everything that he said, because if believe all women is truly about truth, not himself, then he has a lot of apologizing to do. so which standard is it? you cannot have it both ways. >> shannon: at sounds like she is comparing what happened to her, versus how ford was treated when she came forward. here's what she said talking to megyn kelly about the treatment she has gotten at the hands of biden's supporters and surrogates. >> it has been stunning how some of his surrogates, they have been saying really horrible things about me and to me on social media. he has not himself, but there is a measure of his hypo

in maryland, 7-year-old cavanaugh bell used $600 of his savings to buy food and supplies for the elderlyopened up a community pantry. kid's 7. for families in need to pick up care packages with food and household items. a go fund me page run by his nonprofit has raised more than 14 grand. now, those two kids, far from each other, are teaming up. each is sending the other their care packages and blessing bags, to reach even more people. you see? there is a lot of bad, but there's a lot of good, as well. i'm telling you. ordinary people rise to do the extraordinary in times of crisis. i've seen it in natural disasters. i've seen it in manmade disasters. and we're seeing it now. you don't look up, except for guidance from above, but you don't look to leadership that way. you look to yourselves. if you want to keep one another safe, you will. if you want to do what is best for one another, just like these kids, and let's bless their parents. right? for putting this in them. and inculcating these values in them and helping them develop this love for one another, and for humanity. that's our g

the conservative wing of the party, including justices thomas, alito and cavanaugh seemed to be veryptical. we had justice sotomayor and kagan seeming to believe that congressional oversight was important. again, we have this really odd situation where chief justice john roberts, who is the most stalwart observer of the court's institutional legacy is going to be in the hotseat trying to find a third way, carving out here some kind of balance between the two. >> melissa, thank you so much for making time tonight. >> thanks for having me. >>> next, my exclusive interview with former united states attorney general eric holder about the crisis of leadership in the white house and the doj. he joins me, next. the doj he joins me, next. since i don't have time to read, i mean i might as well listen. if i want to catch up on the news, or history, or learn what's going on in the world, i can download a book and listen to it. i listen to spanish lessons sometimes to and from work. yea, it makes me want to be better. audible reintroduced this whole world to me. it changes your perspective. it

justice cavanaugh? justice cave gnaw: good afternoon, mr. stewart. i think the government debt exception is almost certainly content based at least for me and i just wonder as a matter of housekeeping you don't argue it could satisfy strict scrutiny, correct? mr. stewart: that's correct. we've argued the automatic call restriction could satisfy. justice kavanaugh: these two things make that a case for severability and leveling up or leveling down. and you were just on this with justice gorsuch but would help me if you could kind of tick through your strong points about severability again. mr. stewart: i think the two strongest points and then i'll link the second to the functions act severability clause. the two strongest points are we think there would be a tail wagging the dog equality to striking down the whole restriction, one that's been in place for nearly 30 years that has been popular with consumers that's protected a vast array of people simply to preserve the ability of government debt collectors to use one more means of communication. e se

hollywood-esque trailer showcases the emergency department staff at henry ford hospital in detroit where erin cavanaughsuperheroes here. first we have a shield just like wonder woman does and my favorite of all is the lasso of truth. hook this up to the patient and we connect it up to the monitor. we get a lot of truth from that cardiac monitor. as a team there's a lot of superheroes here. >> reporter: i caught up with erin and three of her fellow wonder women. why did you want to go with wonder woman? >> wonder woman believes in people. she believes in love. she saves people when they can't save themselves. she's thege chick i know >>epteiclle e exreot just playing dress up. outfits. >> this one is great. you know, if i could just get to it a little bit i'd feel like my job is done, right? >> reporter: uplifting for the patients but they can also be a source of super strength for these frontline workers like fellow technician, beth gonzalez. >> on the days that i put on my wonder woman shirt i just feel a little different. i feel a little empowered. >> a lot of times where we have to wear a gown into

i remember cavanaugh, slandered that man. if they have nothing to worry about, they should let it go. if the guy is innocent and his son, fine. for three and a half years it is going on and they are starting another impeachment on trump. even susan rice, let her stuff come out, emails. host: susan rice's emails have been declassified. this is what she wrote on january 20, 2017.she says on january 5 following a briefing by intelligence communication leadership on russian hacking during the 2016 presidential election, president obama had a brief conversation with fbi director james comey and sally yates in the oval office. vice president biden and i were present. president obama began by ensuring his commitment that every aspect of this investigation was handled by the book. the president stressed he is not acting or initiating or obstructing anything from a law enforcement perspective. our law enforcement team needs to proceed as it normally would buy the book. securitytional perspective president obama wants to ensure that th