in a normal world, cawthorn's threatening remarks would seem to warrant disciplinary action, and even expulse from congress, but despite our requests today, the republican leader has not made any comment, and that brings us to our next point, which is that many of the republicans who have promoted the big lie don't even believe it themselves. take senator ron johnson, for example, he has been pushing false claims of voter fraud since the beginning, and in may, he wouldn't even acknowledge that biden legitimately won the election. well, he's now supporting an arizona style fraudit of wisconsin, like the one in arizona, however, in secretly recorded footage, we discover that when he thinks trump's not looking, johnson drops the looney tune mask and admits to investigative reporter laura windsor who he assumed was a trump supporter that trump legit lost the election and only had himself to blame for losing wisconsin, and there was nothing skewed at all about the election results. >> the only reason trump lost wisconsin was voters didn't vote for him, they voted for other republican candi

no surprise, cawthorn is among them.ongressman already under scrutiny making new, alarming, escalating, disturbing comments around that big lie is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. congresswoman madelene dean is here, a member of the house judiciary committee. joining us, luke broad water, congressional reporter for "the new york times." frank figliuzzi is here, former fbi assistant director for counterterrorism, now the host of "the bureau" podcast and lucky for us an msnbc national security analyst. congresswoman, i saw this and i wonder if you think he was visited by folks in charge of protecting all of you. what did you think when you heard these comments? >> well, shocking yet again. it is good to be with you, nicolle, and, of course, your other guests and panelists who will shed some light on this. but what we know is that, sadly, the trump machine as well as extremist groups are not through. so when you have a sitting member of congress, a freshman member of congress, spewin

gaets, jim jordan, andy biggs, paul gosar, madison cawthorn, jody hice. we have congresswoman loria with us. thank you for being with us and taking the time. >> thank you. >> do you believe this is a comparable request, phone records of serve members of congress let alone a former president. i don't know if it's exactly unprecedented, but it does feel like a big deal. >> rachel, this committee is tasked with fully discovering and understanding facts of everything that happened on january 6th and everything that led up to january 6th, which obviously we know is an unprecedented attack on our democracy and our institution of government. so the committee is using these preservation requests to ensure that telecommunication companies

including marjorie taylor greene, mo brooks, matt gaets, jim jordan, andy biggs, paul gosar, madison cawthorn, jody hice. we have congresswoman loria with us. thank you for being with us and taking the time. >> thank you. >> do you believe this is a comparable request, phone records of serve members of congress let alone a former president. i don't know if it's exactly unprecedented, but it does feel like a big deal.

his spokesperson told "the washington post" cawthorn was in no way supporting or advocating any forms on capitol hill. good morning. >> reporter: hallie, representative madison cawthorn found himself in multiple controversies since he entered congress just about a year ago. he's a freshman from the western part of north carolina. as you said, he's one of the people who is caught up in the record preservation process of the january 6th select committee and that's because he is one of the speakers on the rally on january 6th at the white house, at the white house ellipse earlier that day but the latest controversy comes when he was speaking at a republican party north carolina county office over the weekend, when he said that fraudulent elections must be taken care of, and it's going to lead to one place if it's not, and he says it's bloodshed. his spokesperson has told "the washington post" that he did not mean that there was going to be any violence from it, and said he was saying that instead, things have to be settled without violence but hallie, representative cawthorn is someone

. >>> republican congressmen and maga favorite madison cawthorn has been fueling election lies and goinge cawthorn lying, claiming the 2020 election was quote stolen, and then stating that if elections continue to be rigged, there will be quote bloodshed, quote, there's nothing i would dread doing more than having to pick up arms against a fellow american, says the congressperson. picking up arms. this person is in congress. to state the obvious, he has an obligation, a sworn oath, he took to up hold the constitution which disclaims any such conduct. he also called the january 6th criminal insurrectionists quote political hostages, and discussed the idea of illegally breaking them out of prison, very anti-law and order, also suggests that he might work on some kind of repeat of january 6th, saying vaguely but ominously quote we have a few plans in motion end quote. this is serious stuff. we need to shine a light on it. the congressman's office is saying that basically he doesn't want violence to occur over election integrity and we don't like to air this kind of thing, you may know we do

madison cawthorn, i don't know that he was talking to president trump then, but madison cawthorn hasstuff, including when he was with supporters in north carolina, he basically, i don't know if he threatened bloodshed, he said, if our election system continues to be rigged, which it's not, continues to be stolen, which it wasn't, ten it's going to lead to one place, and that's bloodshed, he said, and i will tell you, as much as i'm willing to defend our liberty at no cost, there's nothing i would dread doing more than having to pick up arms against a fellow american. >> there's a perfect distillation of the political discourse that donald trump injected into the broader conversation and the broader discussion among americans, which is i'm going to put something out there. i'm not saying that i'm doing this. other people might do this, and i just, i really hope that doesn't happen. that's what cawthorn is doing. it is not responsible language. it is not responsible for a member of congress. it is not responsible for a president to say things like this. he is not explicitly saying, yes

i want it play for you something that republican congressman madison cawthorn said about school maskdate during a school board meeting in north carolina. >> you have sacrificed the social, emotional and psychological development of our children on the altar of wokeness, forcing our children to wear masks is nothing short of psychological child abuse, period. >> what is your response to that, and like that mother that vaughn interviewed, would you feel comfortable sending your patients, your kids to school with other unmasked children? >> first of all, let me just say that what he said was absolutely absurd. he's not following the science and putting people in his district and across the country who are listening to him at high risk. we know that masks work. we know we need to protect our children. yes, there should be in classroom mandates for mask wearing, but let's also be clear that when you have a variant that is this contagious, the plain old cloth mask is unlikely to really be sufficient. that for those who can fit in kn 95 masks and have access to those, that's what they shoul

cawthorn replied, quote, that, we are actively working on that one.king on this. we have a few plans in motion that i can't make public right now. jd vance, the author tweeted out, correct in response to an article entitled "cawthorn calls jailed january 6th rioters political hostages, political prisoners." . obviously this 26-year-old congressman has made a career on inflammatory remarks trying to own the libs as a policy position, but saying this could lead to bloodshed if there's not something done to fix rigged elections. and even invoking the idea of taking up arms against fellow americans about, again, this imaginary voter fraud he's talking about. >> in an alternative universe, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, you would have had gop leadership doing something to clamp down madison cawthorn from his violent fantasies but today it gets him slots on cable news, juices his fund-raising and he's allowing to say and do whatever he wants, no matter how damaging and if it's inciting violence which we saw from the top, donald trump and what he brought and ho

or like creepy-ass madison cawthorn who reportedly became notorious on his college campus for driving the feely car. all of these nasty bastards should resign. but they won't. they'll all just do the trump and stick around afflicting us and dare you to get rid of them. you created that dynamic, conservatives. that's on you. this is the world as you have made it. and don't give me bill clinton. he cheated with an adult and he got impeached for it by men who were shtupping their secretaries. i'm looking at you, mr. and mrs. newton leroy gingrich. how was the vatican, by the way? and i know. you're all about to say juanita broderick. this is her, right? this country, no, this world is replete with predatory men. they're in politics and tv. hey, matt lauer. and hollywood and hip-hop. there's harvey weinstein and les moonves and bill o'reilly and the probably burning in hell roger ailes and russell simmons and on and on and on. it's a huge problem. but it's one that has grown out of this toxic idea of male entitlement that only one of our two political parties actually embraces. democrats

cawthorn: that reason is joe biden. his foreign policy is not america-first, it's taliban-first. mr. president, listen carefully. and i'll say it slowly just for you. no man left behind. that's leadership. here's my pledge to the taliban. you may chant death to america today, but mark my words, the levers of power will be in strong hands soon. if you harm an american we will rein down vengeance upon you with the wrath and fury that will put the fires of hell to shame. psalm91 promises us that god will be our refuge and our fortress but you do not worship my god or heed his promises. so when we come for you, there will be no refuge. no cave, no crevice you can crawl into that will save from you our wrath. to those who hate america and all that we stand for, read my lips. i am young and i have a long memory. when power in washington inevitably shifts we will not forget you. because we're in the business of killing terrorists. and pretty soon business will be booming. with that, i yield back. en. the speaker pro tempore: members are reminded from refrain in -- reminded to refrain fr

here's madison cawthorn, a republican member of congress, facing a crowd and seeing some really disturbingow, kind of going along. >> the big problem, is we don't actually know all the political prisoners are. if we were actually be able to go and try to bust them out, and let me tell you, the reason why they have taken these political prisoners, is they're trying to make an example. to say they don't want to see the mass protests going on in washington. the -- us continue to be stolen. it will lead to one place and that's bloodshed. as much as i'm willing to defend liberty at all costs, there's nothing that i enjoyed doing more than having to pick up arms against a fellow american. >> when he's talking about the political prisoners, he's been asked about the people facing legal consequences for their participation in the insurrection, he's asked about busting them out, any than, says if our election continues to be rigged, you will end up with, bloodshed and then he talks about how much he really does not want to have to take up arms against fellow americans. but that sort of hangs over a

including marjorie taylor greene, mo brooks, matt gaetz, jim jordan, andy biggs, paul gosar, madison cawthorn, jody hice. and, yes, jim jordan. promoting or furthering the aims of the stop-the-steal rally that precede the attack on the capitol that day. it's something to obtain phone records from a former president, from a former president's family, and from serving members of congress. joining us now to help us understand the am big of this question and why it's necessary is a member of the house select committee congressman luria. thank you for being with us and taking the time. >> thank you. >> do you agree that this is a remarkable request? i feel like i've covered a lot. i don't know if it's exactly unprecedent, but it does feel like a big deal. >> rachel, this committee is tasked with fully discovering and understanding facts of everything that happened on january 6th and everything that led up to january 6th, which obviously we know is an unprecedented attack on our democracy and our institution of government. so the committee is using these preservation requests to ensure that telecom

you got republicans like madison cawthorn saying he won't "bend the knee," and rand paul saying, "theyan't arrest us all. if you guys are so desperate to pretend you're founding fathers just become re-enactors. i see them in the park once in a while. they seem like they're having a good time. of course, there's one dude who accidently leaves his ringer on and disrupts the whole flow. "by orders of the crown i here by declare you a traitor and sentence to you to -- oh, hold on, my apple, it's my apple watch it's ringing hold on. honey? what do you mean they're out of matcha smoothies well, do they have flaxseed? what about spirulina well, what the hell? how else am i supposed to get my b vita -- you know what? listen, i got to go. everyone's yelling 'witchcraft' at me, and dave just got hit by a frisbee golfer." and that's today's republican party. for a year and a half we've been battling a deadly virus to save as many lives as possible and their main priority is standing in the way and making it harder. like florida governor ron desantis whose state has been breaking records for new c

records are of lauren boebert of colorado, jim jordan, madison cawthorn, matt gaetz, louie gohmert, scottt of the usual suspects there. what -- what do you think about that -- that request? what -- what legal status is -- is it gonna have? how much of a fight is that going to be? >> there is a larger question here because the legal issue that's unresolved, chris, is whether a committee like this can subpoena a member of congress for testimony. >> right. >> and these records are a little bit different from testimony, itself. but certainly, we should expect to see these members try to delay the committee's process by challenging in court whether there's some sort of extended speech or debate clause protection for these records. um, spoil alert. i don't think that there is. i think the law is pretty well established that not everything that a member of congress does is done in their official speech and debate clause capacity. and we have got this interesting take from doj in the civil lawsuit filed against mo brooks and the former president and others where doj talks about conduct that is ou

cawthorn: today you didn't pass a budget plan, you passed a death wish for america. it is easy for to you sit up there and authorize $68 trillion over the next 10 years because you will never have to shoulder the financial burden of your actions. your road map for our future is a highway to hell. you have exchanged the american dream for a socialist nightmare. to the american people, you have been lied to. your taxes will be raised because the actions of democrats today -- of the actions of democrats today of the i shoulder to think what our country, our city on a hill, our beacon of freedom will look like in a generation, we have to deliver a nation devoid of treasure for our children. we'll give account for our actions one day. if we hand over a bankrupt legacy to our children, your actions today will be indicted and you'll be without excuse. madam speaker, you are walking around with my nation's checkbook and we want it back. with thattings i -- with that, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from florida seek recognition? >>