we will get the cbo's corp. after we complete our business here, we will look at the score, and we will operate in good faith. i will do all i can to make sure that we get the score on but merged bill -- on the merged bill, so that people have an opportunity to see what is in the product and what is not in the product. >> we are a democracy. we are an imperfect institutions. we try our best. we work hard, but the real clue here -- the real glue here is to operate in good faith. if both sides operate in good faith, and we are doing our business, the senators can vote any way they wish to vote. all i am saying is we will do our very best to operate in good faith and give the centers the opportunity to review the bill. >> isn't the case that when there is a merged bill, it comes to the floor, by definition, it will have to be in legislative language? >> that is correct. but so what we have is what we have always had. maybe it is because other members have not been in chairmanship's or not gone through the hoops her

is the cbo analysis that was referenced, is that a cbo's 4 of this amendment or was that an analysisto colleagues that the analysis of this amendment -- i wrote a piece of legislation, i was interested in a different approach. yet, what i said when the chairman chose a different routes, i would work within that framework. i have done that. we have had many amendments, i supported ideas from both sides of the aisle and spent the better part of 10 days and did not once mention the original bill. i do believe that it is possible to import a choice in to the employer-based system. there's something in between blowing the system up and saying that we will tell other people to what they have even though it is a crummy products. that is what we are same. -- saying that we will tether people to what they have a. that i what they aris what we ae saying. we have this safety valve of risk adjustment and reinsurance where this doomsday scenario is something that would have to be done with. 2009 is different than the 1950's. keeping the original system in 2009, when people change their jobs 11 ti

>> it depends on what the cbo writes on the senate finance committee bill. we don't know what those numbers are going to look like yet. but, i would say revenue neutral is not adequate. in other words, we have to not only have a revenue-neutral reform program, but simultaneously recognize that we have to address the longer term. >> mr. greenspan, thanks very much. >> my pleasure. >>> we'll go straight to our debates. take a look at a long week in health care on the senate finance committee. >> the insurance companies in my judgment are determined to protect their profits. >> the government is not a fair competitor. it's not even a competitor. it's a predator. >> we have to settle down and find ways of living within the promises that have been made. >> no one has been able to show to me hothey can count up to 60 votes on public option. >> looking around there are some pretty tired senators here. >> last we, let mering two of the senators who were there, chuck schumer and john cornyn. i want to get to health care. but, let's begin with the economy. you heard c

earlier today, the chairman was quick to point out that cbo said the bill is a net tax cut. but i think most americans would strongly disagree with that statement. to most americans, tax relief means that you get to keep more of the money that you earn. but here's how it works under this bill. you earn your money. you send it to washington. and then washington forces you to buy health insurance. and then, for some lucky americans, the government will send your money to insurance companies. united to keep this so-called tax relief -- you do not get to keep this so-called tax relief to use as uc best for your family. i think most americans -- to use as you see best for your family. i point out that billions of dollars of this so-called tax cut will go to people who do not even pay income tax at all. even the cbo considers this to be a government spending outlay rather than a tax reduction. i am not saying that this is the right policy or the wrong policy. but it is certainly spending rather than tax relief. early today, the chairman said that we would be irresponsible if we di

we didn't say to cbo, can you tell us what happens if we go to iraq? can you tell us what will happen if we desegregate the school? never consider anything really important in the country, we do it. this is one of those fundamental reforms that needs to happen. it's written by the health insurance industry. it's not going to be about the cost containment that's essential. there's no competition allowed in it. >> part of the way that it achieves the deficit reduction is with this tax on insurance companies. that's the only way you can get real deficit reduction. yet, you got at least 170 democrats in the house who say there's no way they're going to go along with it. >> at the end of the day, i believe that issue's going to be resolved. because the white house is clearly engaged at this point. whereas before, they had a hands-off approach. now that we're at the final leg of this jigsaw puzzle, this senate finance committee, the white house will be working side by side with reid, baucus, dodd, to produce a leadership bill to meet all of the goals that th

the cbo will score the baucus plan, which will tell us how much this costs.he last times they scored something, it did not go well. it came in a lot bigger of the price tag than anyone imagined. what do you imagine this time? >> there are a couple of things to look for. does that come under the $900 billion -- $900 billion price tag that the president wants? initially, it seems that will not be true. is it really budget neutral over 10 years, and beyond? what we saw in the house bill was a bill that we created our intel month prague -- problems. and to pick up the bill? does this violate the president's pledge not to impose taxes on people making under $250,000? the baucus bill did that. trace: that is the problem. everyone is concerned this means more taxes, taxing health benefits. just means more money from your pocket. >> this is a real concern. one of the ironies is this was about to be -- supposed to be about controlling costs. but if you put all of these new taxes on insurance companies, americans will be picking that up. we are likely to see more expen

but i would agree that the block this bill more than y others has been hostage to cbo scoring. . they have not taken on the things that makes our health care costs a higher percentage of the economy than any other country. that basic fact remains unchanged. >> something universal all of that, it might be ok, but we are not going to bend the cue. >> all right, well house minority leader john boehner thought it was important to remind the president of the united states, you are not the mayor of chicago. >> hi, everybody. it really is a campaign. it is. >> we look forward to welcoming the world to the shores of lake michigan and the heartland of our nation in 2016. >> so, the president, the first lady, " or winfrey all in copenhagen making a trip to the elements in chicago. the competing with tokyo, real visionary, madrid. is this a trip the president of made? >> he cannot even decide on afghanistan. he's got iran, unemployment, all of this stuff. look, what exactly was the eat indelible legacies that the atlanta olympics left? code gives a damn? >> this idea that he is wasting time

next step and find a four-star antagonist for its war time jitters and health care's big break, the cbo briefs new life into the democrat's reform plan. and offers political cover to skittish members of congress, plus, the administration touts the success of its stimulus as unemployment hits new highs. so, where are those jobs? all that, and the president's peace prize next. welcome to the journal editorial report, i'm paul gigot. eight years after the beginning of the war an trumped up dispute with his top advisor, president obama considered his next step in afghanistan. the president appears to be undecided how to respond to the proposal by general stanley mcchrystal for a major troop buildup. in a memo partially leaked, the war could allegedly be lost without a buildup. reportedly asked the president for 40,000 more soldiers. >> the president of the institute for study of war, she served as a member of general mcchrystal's strategic assessment team in june and july of this year. welcome, good to have you here. >> thank you very much. >> so, you-- so general crystal has submitted his

support, the headcount is intriguing here. >> also intriguing, didn't talk about it with kelly, the cbo scoring will certainly play a role with senator olympia snowe and what direction she may go in, the scoring, the numbers keep swirling. we will see. >>> also in the big picture at this hour, david, more fallout from president obama's failure to sway the international olympic committee committee and sway the 2016 games to chicago. the president made the trip to copenhagen, thinking chicago had a chance to win. this is what valerie jarrett told the chicago tribune "chica >> i think last week, it was pretty clear that valerie jarrett is running the white house this is amateur staff work. you never send a president of the united states around the world to something you don't know the outcome. >> the olympics to afghanistan to the economy to health care, is team obama leaving too much to their boss? what happens when the president's personality and his charm simply are not enough? joining us from the newsroom, msnb contributor, jonathan capehart, you have got mike murphy saying amateur nig

they're still trying to grow support out in the country for this, but no question the cbo thing is a worry and a concern to them, if it does not come back deficit neutral. >> thank you very much. >>> and the pressure is on the president to decide whether to send more troops to afghanistan. insurgents killed 17 u.s. troops in the first four days of this month alone and just yesterday as we were reporting eight americans killed on the pakistani border. adrian, good to see you. can you tell us more about this attack and the latest from the president's strategy from the point of view of what the president is about to decide. how is it viewed from kabul? >> good afternoon, andrea. well, the u.s. military here described the attack which took place early saturday morning as well coordinated and directed at two small combat outposts on the border between afghanistan and pakistan. it's not clear how many enemy fighters or as the u.s. military confirmed, taliban fighters were involved, but one of the bases was almost overrun. the u.s. soldiers were able to rappel them from a base high up in th

the cbo is putting a price tag on the summary of the bill the way i understand it. let's do this very cautiously and appropriately. let's do the right thing for the american patient. >> doctor, i appreciate you joining us with your side of the conversation. >> a pleasure. >> thank you. >> to key democrats threaten to throw up a roadblock as the senate finance committee gets to health reform vote. >> he is accused of stalking aaron andrews. the alleged peeping tom today heads to court. >> a rain check for the dalai lama? why the white house is delaying his meeting with president obama. you're watching msnbc. your place for politics. >>> following developing news from the roads garden at the white house. president obama with 50 doctors one from every state, discussing health care reform. let's listen in. >> dr. hershey garner and dr. mona and dr. richard evans and dr. amanda mckinney who are representing, as we were talking about in the on the floor office, red states, blue states, recal states and high cost states and low cost states, rural, and urban states. so we'r

and you have got to have a cbo's court and we will have to wait for that.they have not been given much time, in their defense. -- and you have got to have a cbo score and we will have to wait for that. they have not been given much time, in their defense. >> the amendment is withdrawn. haut any further amendments? -- any further amendments? we can finish tonight. we do not have to wait for all of these amendments, you know. [laughter] >> mr. chairman? >> senator kyl. >> i believe the next amendment of mind is f-6, as modified. this relates to flexible spending account -- spending caps. >> i do not know if this is fair because i understand that you have the same offset -- maybe you have a different of said, but in the interest of comedy -- >> i'm sorry, i thought that this had been amended to admit the stabenow concessions. senator stabenow, the one that you had so graciously noted, i think, eight times. >> oh, yes, the one cutting middle class -- >> it was, the perennial, will that work? >> yes. >> it is like customs user fees. >> yes. [laughter] except the

whenever the cbo numbers seem to be slowed down, it is generally because prices are going up. we already have gotten word that perhaps some of the medical industry taxes will be up to $30 billion higher than expected, which causes problems. with democrats now saying they want more time to look, it slows everything down. suffice to say that we're looking now at late december if everything goes perfectly, and so far, it never has. shepard: thank you. good to see you. president obama's approval rating is going up for the first time since inauguration. 56% of americans surveyed now like the job the president is doing, up from 50% last month. but pollsters say that a large majority of americans are still very concerned about the economy, health care, and the war in afghanistan. a big concern in washington today is iran. despite years of sanctions, the islamic republic seems to just get closer to building possibly a nuclear weapon. analysts now say not only does iran have the knowledge and technology to build a nuclear bomb, and it could be on the way to getting the material. it cou

was not your amendment, had it not been scored by the cbo? was there not confusion on the chairman's part? >> we offered the amendment that has been scored by the congressional budget. they said it would produce savings for the american people and wouldn't destabilize the employer based system. it was designed to send a message that if you are going to turn the tables on the insurance lobby, put the consumer in the driver's seat, everybody has to have more choices. the way it works for members of congress, the if somebody works a janitor off in the fall of 2009, come january, 2010, you get a better deal. >> will you be voting that finance bill out of xwhit tee? >> i'm going to spend my weekend trying to improve it. we have a number of days to go. if you and others keep trying to educate the public. last night, you made it personal and showed what was at stake. if we can educate people between now and then, we can get changes. >> happy to be of help. great pleasure, have a great night. >>> let's turn to lawrence o'donnell, contributor to "huff

. >> what is your current understanding about how the democrats plan to deal with the question of cbo scoring as the process goes forward? >> what are you looking for in that regard? >>, i think there are procedural problems as well. we saw a heavy-handed tactic, for example, when the health insurance companies were told to shut up, and commenting on the substance of the bill to their clients. we sought a reluctance -- we saw a reluctance in the bill to put it up for 72 hours to make it available for reading. this is a very important issue. we should not try to do it in the dark, and whatever final bill is produced should be available to the american public and to members of the senate, certainly, for enough time to come to grips with it, and there should be and must be a cbo score, so we will look at how the majority decides to try to advance this proposal. we are going to insist, and the american people are going to insist, that it be done in a transparent, fair, and open way. >> if they do not agree to it formally, is there anything the gop will do it informally to make sure that i

ed big test will be the cbo score, the congressional budget office has to look at the changes being made, big changes, little changes and come out with a number f that number gets too much higher than where it was to start, i mean, it was in the 700, 774 billion range, president obama said he wants this bill to cost $900 billion, no more, over ten years if they are off on those numbers, they may have to go back to the drawing board for a bit but if they come in on target this bill is headed for the floor. >> david, one of the things we have all been watching is what is going to happen with olympia snowe, the one republican who has talked about cooperating? win interviewed her a couple weeks ago, she was undecided whether she was going to offer an amendment to go to the triggered public option as opposed to the co-ops that are in the baucus bill in committee or on the floor. what's the outcome of their negotiations with olympia snowe? >> i think she is probably still undecided officially at this point but what you saw during the markup was no real change in her pragmatic approach. she was

what was the cbo scoring in terms of bringing the costs down? guest: there have been proposals on tort reform. there have been -- there was a vote three years ago on the senate floor on tort reform by capping on economic pain and suffering damages, except for cases of gross negligence. those killed by a very narrow margin. there was an amendment put forward on tort reform, which failed. the second question has escaped me. old age has taken over. i apologize. host: here is say tweet -- guest: i remember. it was the score. it has not been scored. they finished debate on it last night. it will not be scored for probably another two weeks. host: what is your opinion of medicare part de that passed a few years ago? guest: i voted for it because it was a private sector solution to a significant problem. it energized insurance companies to provide competitive in providing insurance for pharmaceuticals on medicare. it has resulted in seniors on medicare -- having pharmaceutical drug coverage, which is one of the main things that you can do on wellness.

the cbo will score that when the document is put together and we have a.e, i hope it is 72 hours for members to be able to read the score and it is available either during that period of time or at the end of that. time. is that fair to say? >> when we finish tonight, no more amendments. we send the completed bill over to cbo. they will then give us a preliminary score. my expectation is that that will take several days, maybe tuesday or so. they will then send it back to us. i remember the conversation i had with senator snowe and she has touched on it would take. we don't want to get this to them in the dead of night -- would want to get this in the dead of night and after a boat on a. we have to make sure there's a reasonable time for senators and staff and public to review the score by the cbo. host: that will be a big consideration tax guest: that is very much a big consideration. at the end of the process, they have to find out what that score is because they need to be able to -- you both sides adjusting the revenue side and the spending side -- the

jon: everyone seems to be waiting for a huge shoe to drop, the numbers from the cbo. the last time they came out with projections of cost, it did not to allow for the white house effort. >> there are four big decisions on health care in the senate, and the biggest is the number from the cbo. they need to keep in mind that it will get a 10-year estimate of cost, but there will only be 2.5 years' worth of revenue increases and budget and benefit cuts at the beginning of this. there will only be 7.5 years. what is the pattern at the end of 10 years? does it end in deficit? because what really matters is the second 10 years. by the end of the window, it is still in deficit. it is living off of 2.5 years' worth of tax increases and benefit cuts. viewers ought to remember, this is $900 billion being spent on a program for 7.5 years, and we'll get a 10-year estimate of its cost. we also are going to find out about how to finance medicare. we have learned from the bill in the past couple days that one in 10 medicare doctors will get a 5% cut in the next few years because they

we are waiting for the cbo to score this health-care bill, and i think we will be back in the $1 trillion range. neil: i think you are right about that, and i hate to say it, but this almost seems like chump change what we are spending here. i know we need to get money from a variety of sources to address these costs, but it must say something about our times where a few billion dollars in a danys and does not add up to a prescription plan -- a few billion dollars in afghanistan does not add up to a prescription plan. >> when you start to think about the scope of social welfare programs in the united states versus military costs and commitments, military costs and commitments are a pittance. when you talk about adding $1 trillion to the program, or you talk about a second stimulus, if you talk about extending the tarp, you are talking about trillions of dollars. we are already talking about adding $9 trillion. the cost in afghanistan is significant, but the fact that anyone is even looking at it goes to show how cash crunched this administration is in terms of paying for it. neil: all rig

cbo says that with the public option we saved money. >> cbo said that the house bill cost us over $1 is no competition. in michigan, i can go to indiana to purchase a car, my life insurance, but not health insurance. even though the same plan as $300 cheaper. we should remove those barriers. having a government plan that sets the rules, telling you the treatment that you cannot get, it is not competition. medicare is a great example. three times higher in administrative costs than any other private plan. why would be subject the rest of america to something that is not working well? gretchen: the president appears to be pushing the public option again. there has been no direct signal from the white house that he is really 100% behind the government-run option. >> frankly, the congress has come out in strong support of the option. administrative and overhead costs of public and private lands are at about 30% compared to medicare. it is funny that you would get another republican critic criticize in medicare. 96% of all seniors say that they like it. that is the plan that americans say

finance committee has completed it's work, it was a messy process, they finally got something out, the cbo is going to take a look at it over the weekend, do some cost estimates on it, and tell us how it affects the deficit. president obama praised this bill, called a milestone. and since it is the only bill that the committee has delivered that meets president obama's requirements, isn't the baucus bill now the obama bill. >> that's a good question. but i think it wouldn't necessarily mean it's going to be the bill that gets to president obama's desk. senator rockefeller, senator schumer still pushing for a public option, we don't have it. senator cantwell is offering sort of a quasi-public option that would be a state-based option. somewhat like the one in her home state in washington, but, the cost controls are a question, she raises a very good point about that, but if it goes to the website for her state program they're in washington right now, you'll see that there's a notice that if you want to apply, your name will go on a waiting list because they're having trouble staying within

. >> what is your understanding about cbo scoring as the process goes forward? >> there are procedural problems as well. we sought a heavy-handed tactic when the insurance companies were told to shut up. we saw a reluctance in the committee to allow the bill to be on the internet for 72 hours. that way, it could be read. this is a very important issue. we should not try to do it in the dark. the bill should be available to the american public and the members of the senate. it will be there for enough time for us to come to grips with it. we will be looking at how the majority decides to try to levant's its proposal. the american people are going to insist that it be done in a transparent, fair, and open way. >> if they don't agree to it formally, is there anything the gop will do and formally to make sure that it hangs up there long enough to be able to read it? >> they are unnecessarily creating a big issue for themselves. they have a bill that is in trouble. all of the queasiness is on the democratic side, not the republican side. they want to add to it. these

the cbo report even says as much.er 60% of the house democrats have written a letter to speaker pelosi saying don't go with this tax on health care. >> jack, the pressure is on nancy pelosi. is that a fair statement? >> absolutely. she has to push. the republicans have no problem with hurting america so long as they hurt president obama and the democrats. president obama must step up now in the reconciliation process. >> thank you, panel. earlier i asked you are democrats at the point where they will take any kind of health care bill passed? that's "the ed show." back tomorrow night from minneapolis. i got to see what they're saying in the heatland this weekend. chris matthews, "hardball" is next on msnbc. >>> an endless war? let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. leading off tonight, which way out? we went into afghanistan eight years ago, it was to route the taliban, which had supported the people who killed us on 9/11, al qaeda. but can we ever eliminate a group of afghans that were

. >> democrat which was to give people more choice, create more competition which according to cbo andy other was actually bring down costs and create a dynamic. and that was beat. and ron widen has wolfed himself up and said if this is in the in there i'm not voting for this thing. he hasn't quite said but that certainly indicated that. while the thing certainly took a step forward, all it takes is one enthusiastic democrat to really pull it back. >> so it's not a done deal, mark. >> it's not, no. five committees as betty ann said in the piece have passed it. three in the house, two in the senate, but where we are right now, jim, the still nagging questions remaining unresolved. is there going to be some sort of a public entity, call it what you want. whether it's triggered or as it comes in, it forces the competition and forces the insurance companies to keep their prices down. >> lehrer: you mean something different than the coop rative. >> something different than the coop rative. >> the senate finance committee is not as liberal as the senate. i mean they lost five of the 13 senat

the former director of the cbo -- he joins us live and talks about some of the most popular ideas and whether they stand a chance of recovering costs. patti ann: who is at fault for chicago not getting the the libbin games? we will debate that. bill: one of the great wonders of the world could have a little sister. a fascinating discovery. patti ann: 2 more nato soldiers and american soldiers are dead in afghanistan. it happened sunday. the other soldier's nationality is not known at this time. this follows the deadliest attack in more than a year. saturday, eight u.s. soldiers who were killed. bill: the health-care debate is getting down to the nitty gritty. it is going to get hotter. the real fights are about to break out over how we pay for all of this. the president of dha consulting and former director of the congressional budget office joins us. good morning to you. how are you? if you are going to put 30 million more americans and get them in short, that is going to come at a price. quote the fundamental problems of far is that the democrats have about $1 trillion worth of bene

reed reid wants to go to the floor, baucus wants to wait for the cbo to score the senate finance committee bill to tell us how much this is going to cost. everybody is worried about the money. the money, the money, the money. i want to talk about the human cost off the top tonight. we went home this weekend in minnesota. there's a guy i've known there a while. dennis, good guy, had a construction company for some 30 years. small business owner. you know the story. pays his taxes, plays by the rules. smart guy.

then we will see back from the cbo would the scoring is on all of that.sed not a dime to the deficit. that is our promise. the president will not sign a bill that at a dime to the budget deficit. we took to pass legislation in a short time. the discrimination for pre- existing conditions

the cbo has told us that their bill will add not only to our annual budget, but also the deficit. the american people are scared. they do not know what is being proposed or how this is going to impact them. and democrats would be smart to lay it all before the american people and now only give them a chance to look at it but to be legislators a chance to look at it. jon: thank you both. jane: we have been watching live pictures from daley plaza in the heart of chicago. we are just learning from our chicago bureau that chicago has now been eliminated from the first round of voting for the 2016 summer games. a big surprise to a lot of olympics walkers who really had thought that this was a tight race between chicago and rio de janeiro, and that's chicago man had an edge. a very high-profile visit this week from obama and oprah winfrey. a lot of people thought that they will make up their minds at the last moment and put chicago over the top and get the needed votes. jon: you have to wonder if members of the olympic committee were reading the polls in illinois, where 30% of chicago r

the cbo is going to score this thing sometime in the next few days.played spoiler before. we do not know how much is going to cost. what if this way -- what if this goes way over budget? >> we have seen sticker shock about the process, but when we see this ticket number, people could change their vote. most people expect this will pass out of the finance committee and then move on. the question is whether there will be any republican support at all. olympia snowe has been the only republican who has talked about supporting it at this point. she has said she still has a lot of thinking to do on this. trace: as he said, they have to merge these things together. they have a lot more work to do. how close are we getting? >> we are getting closer. at this point, it looks likely there will be votes in the house and senate sometime in october, but there are five bills now. the in house, two in the senate year not clear which details will be cherry pick, and the matter is going to be complicated. the house can approve something more complicated than the senat

so it was ruled out of order by the cbo. the wyden camp says that's nonsense. the budget office scored, and it evaluated how much it would cost and save in the various financial benefits and detriments that go along with it. and baucus said it had not been scored and wyden said it was scored two weeks ago. and the next consideration is if wyden should put it on the floor. >> yeah, i know it's totally nuts, but actually competition it drives prices down. nuts! former white house aide, specializing in economic health care policies, and author of a tremendous book, i recommend you read it "the tyranny of bad ideas," and think about this at a time when congress is supporting outdated financial systems and health care systems with special influence against all tax players as we watch the unemployment rate explode higher. you wonder why? because congress refuses to update the systems. and the panel back. this is washington post white house reporter, and she is probably the best source and educated on wyden's choice amendment. matt, the tyranny of bad ideas. why on ea

the cbo cringes at the numbers for us. . . .n: earlier in the show, we interviewed a woman and she has worked on the health-care industry for 20 years. she was also personally affected by a health-care crisis. she decided to take action. she developed something called healthcareletter.com. so many people went to the website, it actually crashed. she helps to explain a lot of these complicated issues. steve: here is a portion of her letter. almost everyone says we need reform and health care, but questioned if the current process will deliver what we need. a sense of hopelessness appears as if this health care mess is so big that the normal american can begin to -- cannot begin to understand the detail. gretchen: she is from wisconsin. she decided to put all of her papers together and develop this website. brian: coming up tomorrow, trace atkins sings here tomorrow. it will be a tuesday bonanza. steve: maybe we should ask the network for a spare hour. what is coming up on the show that starts in about five minutes? brian: we have

the cbo, nonpartisan congressional budget office saying the plan would cut the deficit by $80 billionr ten years. the amended legislation would cost $890 billion. it would extend coverage to 94% of eligible americans. 25 million americans would still be uninsured in 2019 in full implementation. if it clears committee it heads to the full house and senate for debate. >>> a deadly typhoon has killed two people and dozens are hurt after a powerful typhoon slammed japan. destroying bridges. a man was killed as he delivered newspapers when his motorbike hit a downed tree. >>> at least a half dozen large earthquakes have hit the south pacific. after the first big one of 7.8 magnitude, a tsunami warning was issued but quickly called off there is no report of damage or injuries. >>> a german author has won the nobel prize. herta mueller fled the communist government. >>> dozens of marines and their sons have come forward to discuss male breast cancer. aside from their illness there is one other link and many said it is time for the government and the military to help out. >>> new information

. >> we found the cbo numbers check out on the baucus plan and save money over ten years and look, youviewed a couple of days ago on the radio show says we've got to do it and bill frist in the last week, he's also a physician, it seems like the people who have left the senate and elected politics are speaking more freely and openly about the real need to do this. and in fact, the poll just out said not having reform is hurting the g.o.p. so, i don't know what the debate is. >> you said you talked to bill frist and said he would vote for it and now he's saying he is he wouldn't vote for any of them. >> he says there are some he would vote for. he wasn't specific. we need reform and we're debating this. don't know which it's going to go. there are those on the right who don't want this and-- >> on the alan's point can the president come out and say we don't know what the bill looks looks. >> come along with me and he believes it will materialize. one of the things that is very important if you look at bob dole, senator frist, governor schwarzenegger, and tommy thompson, you have to look

. >> yeah, dick, the recent estimates from the cbo is 400 billion dollars in medicare cuts.ote, it's probably olympia snowe, the republican. we're about out of time in this break. do you think she's on board? >> no, she's not yet and she's not the swing vote. she's the key to the democratic vote. >> sure. >> if she comes on board then a lot of the moderate democrats think they have at least some republican cover and they go with it. if she flakes off. there's a process of people coming offment, but the point i need to make is that this is a work in progress. over the next two weeks, if people from maine raise hell about this bill, she could be moved off it, which everybody's vote is in flux right now. >> in particular, the elderly. dick, you're back with us in just a moment and this is the information that we tune in to hear from you. coming up in a bit. senator john mccain on a new mission to make over the g.o.p. who he's recruiting and what will it mean for the future with the republican party. more with mr. morris after the break. boy or girl, blue eyes, brown eyes, more

what was the cbo scoring in terms of bringing the costs down?here have been proposals on tort reform. there have been -- there was a vote three years ago on the senate floor on tort reform by capping on economic pain and suffering damages, except for cases of gross negligence. those killed by a very narrow margin. there was an amendment put forward on tort reform, which failed. the second question has escaped me. old age has taken over. i apologize. host: here is say tweet -- guest: i remember. it was the score. it has not been scored. they finished debate on it last night. it will not be scored for probably another two weeks. host: what is your opinion of medicare part de that passed a few years ago? guest: i voted for it because it was a private sector solution to a significant problem. it energized insurance companies to provide competitive in providing insurance for pharmaceuticals on medicare. it has resulted in seniors on medicare -- having pharmaceutical drug coverage, which is one of the main things that you can do on wellness. one of th

what was the cbo scoring in terms of bringing the costs down?re have been proposals on tort reform. there have been -- there was a vote three years ago on the senate floor on tort reform by capping on economic pain and suffering damages, except for cases of gross negligence. those killed by a very narrow margin. there was an amendment put forward on tort reform, which failed. the second question has escaped me. old age has taken over. i apologize. host: here is say tweet -- guest: i remember. it was the score. it has not been scored. they finished debate on it last night. it will not be scored for probably another two weeks. host: what is your opinion of medicare part de that passed a few years ago? guest: i voted for it because it was a private sector solution to a significant problem. it energized insurance companies to provide competitive in providing insurance for pharmaceuticals on medicare. it has resulted in seniors on medicare -- having pharmaceutical drug coverage, which is one of the main things that you can do on wellness. one of the