this would all be told by cbo. how do we know? because similar bills in the past have been scored by cbo with similar provision. they are afraid. they are afraid that the public will hate this bill so they are trying to rush it through in the dark of night. we want above all a bill that protects average americans not flashes the health care they need whether the governor or washington should try to do that is wrong. we want to work in a bipartisan process to make things better. we want the house, the president republican leadership to stop pressuring those who want to come up with a bipartisan solution to refrain from doing it. we can make this work in a bipartisan way in the final thing it would save this, we have seen the very hopeful sprouts of bipartisanship in the last month going back to this trumpcare to, graham cassidy shut down that bipartisanship that america yearns for. i'm going to call on senator

and i am worried about whether cbo's been given enough time to thorough lly analyze this bill, which has been a moving target, and even over the weekend, i was receiving emails saying that the sponsors of the bill are still changing the formula. so it may be difficult for cbo to do the kind of in-depth analysis it usually does, but that's what i would like to see before making a final decision, but it may be that cbo is going to say that this is impossible because the parameters of the bill keep changing. >> you say you want to see a cbo score, as you know, there's been other studies of the impact of graham/cassidy. 21 million fewer americans covered. states losing $215 billion, 31 states losing money, that's from kaiser. as you know, the cbo score, even if you get it in time for the vote, it's probably only going to look at the impact on the deficit and not look at the impact on the issues you talk about, medicaid, the total number of uninsured, what information could the cbo possibly provide you that might make you support the graham/cassidy bill. >> i actually expect that cbo is e

-- this would all be told by cbo. how do we know? similar bills in the past have been explored by cbo with similar provisions. they are afraid. that the public will hate this bill. they are trying to russia through in the dark of night. protects bill that average americans. not flashes the health care they need whether the governor or washington wants to that. we want to work with a bipartisan process to make things better. we want the house -- the president -- republican leadership to stop pressuring those that want to come up with a bipartisan solution to refrain from doing it. in an make this work bipartisan way and the final thing i would say is this. we have seen some very helpful sprouts of bipartisanship in the last month. going back to this trumpcare, graham cassidy which shut down that bipartisanship that american euros four. i will call on >> thank you very much to all of my colleagues and everybody who has never engaged the email to call, to be involved in this effort one more time. >> we won't have the ful

changing. >> so you say you want to see a cbo score. as you note, there have been other studies of the impact of graham/cassidy. let me put some of the numbers on the screen from some of these studies. 21 million fewer americans covered. that's from brookings. states losing $215 billion. that's from action valere. 31 states losing money. that's from kaiser. the cbo score, even if you get it in time for the vote, it's probably only going to look at the exact on the deficit, and not look at the impact on the issues you talk about, medicaid, the total number of uninsured. what information could the cbo possibly provide you that might make you support the dpr graham/cassidy bill? >> well, i actually expect that cbo is either going to reinforce those studies that you've just mentioned, all of which i have digested over the past couple of weeks, or that cbo is going to say that they simply don't have the time to do a thorough analysis. but remember, when the cbo did the analysis of the first senate bill and the house bill, it was very thoroug

if you don't believe the accuracy that have the decency to wait for the us cbo's gore..b.o. don't pass this legislation before they put that out wet believe these are accurate from a group that has had years that accurately predicted the health kerry facts. devastating cuts. so many in so many states. and impartial orbiter the numbers are devastating representing millions ofec americans with for healthts care with higher costs for both food do they represent? and american family? if youit haven't a -- if you have a parent is a better signal that is paid for by medicaid a if this bill passes. to have a young son or daughter for the treatment they received if the bill passes. to give birth to a child. man we desperately needs help and that child life in many cases could be at risk. >> this is the poorest way of legislating to rush the bill through no cbo's gore. already some republican governors have spoken out with these provider groupsr have come about with the american cancer society their reach eight - - rating agencies to even'' more disruption that other all ec aid bills

all be told by cbo. how do we know? bills in the past have been scored by similar provisions. they are afraid the public will hate this bill so they are trying to rush it through in the dark of night. we want, above all, a bill that protects average americans, not slashes the health care they need, whether the governor or washington tries to do that. it is wrong. we want to work in a bipartisan process to make things better. we want the house, the president, republican leadership to stop pressuring those who want to come up with a to refrainsolution from doing so. we can make it work in a bipartisan way. the final thing i say is this. we have seen very hopeful outs of bipartisanship in the last month. andg back to this trumpcare graham-cassidy which set down -- which shut down the bipartisanship. >> thinking for you must all my colleagues. thank you to everyone who has email, to call, to be involved in this effort one more time to have a form of trumpcare, which is actually worse than the last one. said,

you remember quite well we often talk about specific numbers from the cbo.his only has millions fewer because it is a preliminary report because the cbo made clear it would take several weeks for them to actually be able to analyze this bill. remember the compressed timetable that they're working under. also a key point, the cbo confirms that it does meet deficit reduction targets for the bill to be reconciliation compliant. that budget rule was the only reason they rushed this report. no matter how fast they're moving the report, the question of whether they can get the votes or whether it's too late entirely is up in the air. wolf? [ chants ] tonight, outrage on capitol hill. >> if you want a hearing, you better shut up. >> reporter: protesters drowning out a hearing on the health care bill. >> the committee will be in recess until we get our -- >> reporter: enforcing its brief postponement as police removed the protesters, many of which were wheelchair bound. [ shouting ] >> this is not the last chance, this is the best chance. >> reporter: just six days

that had a cbo analysis. medicare benefits for drugs, medicare part d, that had a cbo analysis. that passed. that's what we need. and the reason that they aren't waiting to get that thorough analysis is because they know exactly what it will show. what every other repeal has showed. 10 million, 20 million, 30 million people kicked off insurance. >> thank you. we're going to take a quick break. we'll be right back with more on cnn's debate on health care in america. stay with us. knowing where you stand. it's never been easier. except when it comes to your retirement plan. but at fidelity, we're making retirement planning clearer. and it all starts with getting your fidelity retirement score. in 60 seconds, you'll know where you stand. and together, we'll help you make decisions for your plan... to keep you on track. ♪ time to think of your future it's your retirement. know where you stand. ♪has gotten to know our business so well that is feels like he's a part of our team. with one phone call, he sets me up with tailored products and services. and when my advisor is focused on m

four months in advance, we asked the cbo for a score. it did mean the bill was frozen, but it meant the general parameters were there. four months later, we got some of it and then more with legislation amended. you have to have the facts. you can't say to the american people this is what we want to do and we don't know how much is going to cost and we don't know how mini people it will serve. you really do need the objective . we don't want anything other than an objective report on the numbers. and in this case, republicans are saying just tell us how much money is cut. we want to know how many people are cut and what happens to their coverage and what happens to the pre-existing medical conditions and what happens to all the essential benefits in the package? this is really a stin k-a-roo. question on the health care bill. were democrats caught off guard at all by the suddenness of this? senator schumer spoke about this the other day. do you have anything else planned next week as far as protests or rallies? rep. pelosi: outside group

this is not a cbo score you can hide behind. there is one thing that this cbo score could never take into account. and that's state ingenuity. this plan reempowers the state to make the health decisions. how can a cbo score count what's going to happen in 50 states before the governors make the plan. charles: the cbo hasn't been good at counting the federal score. reporter: the concluding paragraph this cbo report gets to what we were seeing in graham cassidy with block grants. it won't be good for susan collins or lisa murkowski who were on the fence. the decrease in the number of insured people would be particularly large starting in 2020. the legislation would make major changes to federal funding for medicaid and the non-group marker. the graham-cassidy bill proposes block grants. they expect other limitation problems would accompany grants specifically designated to assist with the transition. given the short time for planning and making changes between now and then. that was something the democrats were talking about, ther

is cbo and they're saying they need weeks. decide based on the information we already have. >> do you think that's going to be good enough for skeptical republicans? >> well, i think susan collins is going to be the main one who has been concerned about the cbo score, right. so i mean we're only talking about a few people here basically rand paul, john mccain, susan and lisa murkowski. these are people who have been skeptical. mccain seems to be moving in the direction of the bill because his governor of arizona has endorsed it. you still have, you know, rand paul seems pretty entrenched and that leaves collins and murkowski and collins has been very clear . >> the rest of the people don't seem to care that much about the cbo scores because they got bad scores and they seemed okay. i call them bad in the sense that people will lose their health insurance. for republicans that's not the concern. the concern is not about universal coverage. it's about sending it back to the states and letting the states decide what they want to

a cbo score is critical.bo is a critical nonpartisan professional entity whose input is essential to the process. >> don't we have history barrelling at us like a punch in the nose, because they say we have to get a vote done because of the september 30th deadline, and they won't have a cbo score. >> congress is then asking these two entities to perform a super task in a limited timeframe. we are hoping cbo will be able to analyze as much as possible within the

the cbo score may not be ready when this finance committee is having the hearing. it is hard to tell. he has not said how he would vote on the legislation. he is one of those swing votes people are looking at. , the as far as the mood last time they went down this road, you saw senators off the bat express criticism. is there a different mood in the sense of this getting to the house? there has been a lot of optimism. you do have a couple senators were questioning things, but generally you have a lot of senators were open to this. there is a deadline. september 30. that is the last day they can pass the obamacare repeal bill without a full majority. a lot of republicans really want to be able to do this. there is a movement towards it. , theyon't have 50 votes don't have 50 yes votes. they are working on things. it will be interesting to see how that affects things as well. host: first call is from california, democrats line. good morning. caller: thank you for holding this debate this morning. i have called my senators from california and they do not support this

we haven't seen those figures on cbo, but whatever it is it is going to be terrible. they could create jobs to address have a bipartisanship in the affordable care act. i know we will be continuing in a bipartisan way. hopefully sooner rather than later. we have to be creating jobs. with all the things happening, it is to have better jobs, better pay, better future, creating jobs and raising income and lowering cost to families into giving every american the tools they need to succeed as we go forward. we will be advancing the better deal all across the country. perfect is to make sure people have access to quality affordable health care. we want that to move into a direction that is ever-expanding and not a shrinking as the republicans ar are giving in to fill. it is an emergency. it is all hands on deck. everybody is on board to make this fight. we've got to stop this bill in the senate. any questions >> [inaudible] republicans from your home state obviously this changes, how would this affect california and republicans from your state, how is this builds a differen

that is in the cbo report. it is going to be chaotic in terms of the timeline you are asking states to come up with a delivery system. there will be fewer people in the market. mandate.l not be a not only are you going to ask the state to do more with less , youall it flexibility actually said was some new shows up at the hospital without insurance the state will pay the bill. that is that going to happen. there is not going to be money for that. that hospital at the end of the ears going to call the insurance companies and say, with too much uninsured care. we are raising your premiums. so not only will premiums go up, they will go up in the employer market because uninsured care will go up under this plan. ono, there is a big loophole federalism. bill at oneyour point that the federal to adjust is allowed how much states get aced on an adjustment factor. on page 29 of the bill, considered legitimate factors impacting health care factors in the state but i cannot find a definition for "legitimate factor." coul

we'll have a cbo score on monday. we're going to have -- >> partial cbo score. >> partial in what respect? with respect to the budget act? the budget act says that the congressional budget office has to give what the impact is on the federal budget. everything else at cbo is not required in the budget act. >> the number of people who could -- >> that's not required under the budget act. >> but that's important for viewers. and for people who are americans. >> if you believe cbo, and i don't think anybody in the congress, republican or democrat, they want to believe cbo, because it supports some of the things they say, but even jonathan grouper, who is one of the architects of obamacare throws away the cbo estimates that literally millions of people, more than half the people they say are going to drop coverage because if the republican plans, ours or anybody else's, will drop the plan because the mandate, the individual mandate goes away. jonathan grouper said that's ridiculous. that's not the reason people drop cover

it's only a partial score from the cbo. it won't be a full score from the cbo. and senator john mccain has said really -- not commented on the legislation. what he has said is that he wanted to go through the normal proce process, he wanted a bipartisan bill. that doesn't accomplish any of that. so you're not going to get john mccain back. no matter what. so what -- >> all i would say is people -- we're going to have a hearing on monday. we're going to have a cbo score on monday. we're going to have -- >> partial cbo score. >> well, partial in what respect? i mean, with respect to the budget act? the budget act says the congressional budget office has to give what the impact is on the federal budget. everything else that cbo is doing is not required under the budget act. >> with respect to the number of people who could or will -- >> that's right. that's not required under the budget act. >> but that's important for viewers and for people who are americans, don't you think? >> if you believe cbo, and i don't think anybody in the congress, republican or democrat

if they let the cbo do its work, if cbo weren't pressured to put out something that's just a few linesthis would all be told by cbo and how do we know? because similar bills in the past have been scored by cbo with similar provisions. they're afraid. they are afraid that the public will hate this bill. so they're trying to rush it through in the dark of night. we want above all a bill that protects average americans. not slashes the health care they need whether the governor or washington should try to do that, it's wrong. we want to work in a bipartisan process to make things better. we want the house, the president, republican leadership to stop pressuring those who want to come up with a bipartisan solution to refrain from doing it. we can make this work in a bipartisan way and the final thing i would say is this. we have seen some very, very hopeful sprouts of bipartisanship in the last month. going back to this trumpcare 2 graham cassidy would shut down that bipartisanship that america yearns for. i'm going to call on -- yeah. >> thanks but no thanks to the graham cassidy bill say

, this would all be told by cbo.ow do we know? but a similar bills in the past have been scored by cbo with similar provision. they're afraid. they are afraid that the public will hate this bill so they're trying to rush it through in the dark of night. we want, above all, a bill that protects average americans, not slashes the healthcare they need, whether the governor or washington should try to do that it's wrong. we want to work in a bipartisan process to make things better. we want the house, the president, republican leadership, to stop pressuring those who want to come up with a bipartisan solution to refrain from doing it. we can make this work in a bipartisan way. the final thing i say is this. we have seen some very very hopeful sprouts of bipartisanship in the last month. going back to this trump care 2, graham cassidy, would shut down that bipartisanship that american yearns for. i'm gonna call on -- >> harris: we've just heard an extended statement from senator chuck shumer of new york. his response to r

a cbo score is critical. the cbo is a critical nonpartisan professional entity whose input is essential to the process. >> don't we have history barrelling at us like a punch in the nose, because they say we have to get a vote done because of the september 30th deadline, and they won't have a cbo score. >> congress is then asking these two entities to perform a super task in a limited timeframe. we are hoping cbo will be able to analyze as much as possible within the timeframe. >> next week matters so much. we may all see things we have never seen before. thank you for the perspective and introducing people to the existence of something they may never have heard of, the senate parliamentarian. >> my pleasure. >>> we are following a lot of news. let's get after it. >>> puerto rico was absolutely obliterated. >> maria hit us very hard. but she's nothing compared to the force we are going to unleash to rebuild. >> they continue to hear peoples' cries. >> i don't think i have seen quite a mobilization of voluntee

. >> senator collins made her statement after the cbo report came out in always thought was the cbo saidrage that will decrease, costs will rise. cbo had to do a quick analysis of this. by the way, also complaining, patrice, that this was the fourth version of this bill, doing another version over the weekend. she kind of has a point. how do i make an informed decision on something, which is health care if i'm getting four different versions and i can't keep up with changes, which by the way, getting more and more expensive. >> what's interesting is now democrats are pointing probably rightly to republicans saying you're trying to rush this through which is a major piece of legislation without a lot of discussion particularly on the most recent bill. or maybe something to that. at the end of the day, we have come to the point where this is a pretty good opportunity to get repeal and replace them. not a perfect bill but an effort to get something done. they are obviously also lots of future measures that can be taken. they are trying. i just don't see it happening. the cbo pointed to the

. >> what we have done is we have looked at what the bill does and then we have looked at how cbo has scored previous bills with similar precision. we have very strong numbers and if the republicans viewed her numbers than they should wait for the cbo score. >> a follow-up on that talking about how it came up suddenly. you think that was a republican strategy to be quiet for a while and bring this up? >> with trumpcare one, two, three or four to have hearings that debate to have discussion because they know what they are being pushed by some of their hard right and the factors who want to get out of all this safety net social security medicare and medicaid. the last trumpcare bill is not as severe as this one and 20 million americans supported it in a majority of trump voters were against it. so they know this is a very bad both substantively for the american people and politically for them. that's why they try to hide it and that's why they don't want to have discussion and debate hearings. that's why the republicans leaders were so anxious to get out of here. >> leader mcconnell was

what is the cbo going to give us today?s it going to give us a look at the most recent piece of legislation? sahil: rand paul was not won over. susan collins and lisa murkowski both likely need to be yes in order for this bill to pass. it is going to be very difficult. the cbo score is going to be a preliminary analysis that gives the green light for the red light as to whether the bill needs to meet basic reconciliation standards. passing with a simple majority. this cbo score is going to be on the original graham cassidy bill, not the revised bill that came out this morning. we will not know how many people will lose their insurance. megan, if a public and can't get the vote or they decided to scrap the bill altogether, they have decided to repeal obamacare for the last seven years. how much will this hurt them? it is like a zombie movie we have seen too many times. everyone expects susan collins will be a no. see what lisa murkowski has to say. there is a fundamental opposition to this latest attempt to repeal obamacare.

the cbo score is necessary, i'm sure there's a lot of good people at cbo. place to go before i die, we need to get cbo the score thing in a timely fashion. this is a block grant. we will spend 1.2 trillion in the next decade. i didn't do that well enough but i can figure out how much will spend. i don't need to be supercritical but we haven't had scores on the language in eight weeks. let me tell you, my republican friends, if you're upset about us not successfully repealing the replacing obama care after seven years, come in. we try to we're one vote short. we have 17 days left. what with democrats too?ur to be fighting, no august break, would be on this floor arguing about their view of healthcare. so i'm encouraged that our leadership is going to push the cbo and get behind this bill. encourage the president came out for the bill and the vice president above all others has been on the phone calling others.o we have over 15 governors now so the other republican governor, check it out for state. here's what i would ask. the money you're getting for obama c

senators weighing the merits of an evolving health care bill with no cbo score from the nonpartisan congressional budget office. house democratic leader nancy pelosi joins me now here. madam leader, this is extraordinary. the turnout. quickly and overnight, the changes, as well in the bill aimed at several key states. alaska, kentucky, several others where clearly the white house thinks they can try to turn some votes. >> well, it is interesting to see how people have turned out. but they've been turning out through the whole debate on overturning the affordable care act. you see people with disabilities all of whom have a pre-existing medical condition. we have the little lobbyist here, the children with pre-existing conditions. if you had one subject of the bill that you would address, pre-existing conditions, what is in jeopardy here and the republicans have made it worse with these further tweaks of last night. >> the white house was trying to say on the sunday talk shows that pre-existing conditions are protected. yet, when you look at the language, it gives the states the right to have the

there's no cbo score. part of it was policy. the question about preexisting conditions which was very difficult for republicans to answer. the question about block which was difficult for republicans to answer. again, republicans have struggled with health care for years abdomnd years now. we spent six months working specifically on a replacement bill. we'll get his reaction as senator john mccain putting it on the brink. we'll be right back. ♪ one look at you and i can't disguise ♪ ♪ i've got hungry eyes ♪ applebee's 2 for $20. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. when you're clocking out. sensing your every move and automatically adjusting to help you stay effortlessly comfortable. there. i can also help with this. does your bed do that? oh. i don't actually talk. though i'm smart enough to. i'm the new sleep number 360 smart bed. let's meet at a sleep number store. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ dental professionals recommend using an electric toothbrush. for an exceptionally fresh feeling choose philips sonicare diamondclean. hear the dif

douglas holtz-eakin, former cbo director, thanks for being here. there is more ahead on "washington journal." the director with of the center puerto rico studies at hunter college, talking about the impact of hurricane maria and what is ahead. nader on, three secretaries are under fire for travel expenses. we would take a look at the federal rules regarding travel from the fx watchdog common cause. ♪ saturday, book tv has coverage of the 2017 baltimore book festival. starting at noon eastern, the discussion on "fears we cannot stop: a sermon to white america." and laura jacobs with her book "you are in the wrong bathroom." "invisiblehie with against police violence black women and women of color." robin spencer, author of "the revolution has come." devon allen, author of "a beautiful ghetto." and contributors from the books of "democracy to freedom," and "no wall they can build." watch our coverage of the baltimore book festival saturday on c-span two's book tv. >> pretty consistently ranks among the lesser-known presidents. the only thing most peo

>> i certainly wish that the senate would get a cbo score.ble thing when congress votes on a major piece of legislation without a cbo score. having said that, when you look at the last cbo score and it said 23 million americans would lose their health insurance, the majority of the americans would be in two categories, the young people that would no longer have to comply with the individual mandate, and people on medicaid. and our goal on medicaid is to create jobs and hope the stock market continues to go up and hope new companies come to america and hope the companies that have been in operation for a long time continue to expand and we get the able-bodied people off of medicare and into the workforce. >> 1 in 5 live in poverty in kentucky, and you know the numbers better than anybody. a lot of those people are insured because of the medicaid expansion under obamacare. this bill would do away with that expansion. are you comfortable with that in telling your constituents that? >> what we want to do is get people into private health care. in

why is there no cbo score? he's right.rough the committee where we add amendments, it goes to the floor, there is a lively debate and you're actually voting on something. they are going to vote on something without a cbo score that will affect 32 million americans losing their health care insurance. senator mccain was right. he was right before when he voted against it on the floor before. and i know that senator mccain going to do the right thing. you know what, senator mccain thinks about america first. we need more people up in congress doing the right thing. president trump needs to do what he promised us when he ran for president. even gets coverage. it is cheaper, more reliable and better care. that's where we need to go. we are the greatest nation on earth. but this partisan activity that goes on and they are doing this all for politics is hurting us. it is hurting the governors. we focus on job creation every day, providing health care for our citizens. they want politicians to come together, do their jobs and help

cbo measure.t was a sticking point for susan collins in particular. she wanted to see a score before she would make a final decision. >> reporter: right. what you'll end up with is a cbo report that is essentially the bottom line. they'll say whether or not this complies with reconciliation rules. some broad picture of how much it costs. all the finer point analysis that cbo typically does -- we're getting moved by capitol police, trying to keep the hallway clear -- all the stuff that the cbo does isn't going to happen. susan collins, lisa murkowski, some of the other senators have been going to anyone else that can provide them with data. the federal government, the cms, or groups like the kaiser foundation, to try and get those numbers. again, to your point, ali, susan collins is not going to get what she wants from the cbo today. she'll get a couple of lines. not a full report about how this affects her state or the rest of the country. she has been very clear all along that she wants that kind

, this would all be told by cbo.ow do we know? because similar bills in the past have been scored by cbo with similar provisions. they are afraid. they are afraid that the public will hate this bill, so they are trying to rush it through in the dark of night. we want, above all, a bill that protects average americans. tha protects average americans not slashes the health care they need, whether the governor or washington should try to do that it's wrong. we want to work in a bipartisan process to make things better. we want the house, the president, republican leadership to stop pressuring those who want to come up with a bipartisan solution to refrain from doing it. we can make this work in a bipartisan way. and the final thing i'd say is this. we have seen some very, very hopeful sprouts of bipartisanship in the last month. going back to this trump care two, graham/cassidy would shut down that bipartisanship that america yearns for. i'm going to call on senator stabber now because she has to go to a hearing. >> tha

not enough time for the cbo to give the full score, is that correct? that's right the cbo got back to us and said the only thing they can do is assess the fiscal impact of the legislation. so they will know if there's any, quote, savings. remember savings comes out of the hide of the american people so let's be careful using the term savings. but they said they need a couple weeks to analyze the impact this bill will have on coverage in everyone's home state. so we have people are going to vote yes or no on a piece of legislation to restructure one fifth to one sixth of the american economy to probably throe 20 to 30 million off of their health care. but we're not going to know the impacts until after we vote. what is so shocking to me is so many people talk about the regular order. and that means the senate acts like a senate. it has hearings, we talk to experts, we have a proper debate. now we're not going to listen to the impact of the bill. but here's what we know, because it has the elements of the previous bills that had awful cbo bills 23 off co

the american people who care about the cbo score and the republicans want to repeal obamacare. republicans in the senate have a deadline. they need to get this done or they won't be recognized in the majority plain and simple and president trump kellyanne conway said he will definitely sign this bill and republican senators have to remember that this is not going to be the final version of the bill. it still has to go to the house. they can tweet it and change it but the big thing here is they get rid of the mandate and individual mandates get rid of some of the taxes and that god's obamacare. that's essentially repeal and they need to get their act together and get it done. charles: i think your point gillian it's been stealthy because can republicans afford any more egg on their face? it's one thing now that optimism is building that they run the risk of failing in front of the public to do what they promised they would do. would everyone essentially said as low-hanging fruit is these things to accomplish. >> it's inexcusable that this hasn't pass so carpet with the cbo scori

legitimate criticisms of the cbo.t think this standard is cold here, but one of those things that can peel off some republicans that need to get the bill across and that is why it not going to make at the end of the day. lauren: i know it last minute, but it seems that's when congress functions best. what do you say in the final 10 seconds here? >> yeah, things happen at the end. very close. we will see. >> maybe he won't do this though as they did in july. thank you to both of you. >> things. trade do we continue to follow what is happening in puerto rico. evacuate or die is the dire warning given to residents there. with an economy already in preparing for a direct hit from hurricane maria. fox senior meteorologist janice dean will have the latest on track for maria. you are watching "fbn:am." ♪ what did we do before phones? they save us from getting lost, getting hungry, and getting tired of places like this. phones changed everything - shouldn't the way pay for them change too? introducing xfinity mobile. where yo

the cbo does that and joint tax, we may get a small amount of credit. we are going to score it and we've got 100 people in treasury working on models. we are going to explain to the american public how this is paid for because we are concerned the debt has gone from 10 trillion to 20 trillion under the last eight years. just crossed 20 trillion and we want to make sure we are careful and not adding to the burden of debt. >> bret: you know what democrats say. they say you're characterizing this in rose-colored glasses and that because of an aging population and the number of other factors that the gdp estimate over a decade is more like the cbo and not some dynamic scoring you are going to come up with. how do you respond? >> we have lots of economists who don't agree with that. we are looking forward. we are not looking backwards. i would also say they have added $10 trillion to the national debt. the difference between 2% and 3% is over $2 trillion in revenue to the government. it's over $10 trillion of economic growth to the economy. we can pay for th

without a full cbo score, remember, the cbo said it would take weeks to score this bill, which won't be available by the end of the month, we won't have a reliable answer to any of those questions. they want to get this done before september 30th, obviously, that's the time frame they can do it without -- by only using a simple republican majority, more than 50 votes, 51 votes. kasie hunt is with me now. kasie, this shouldn't come as that much of a surprise. john mccain was calling to go back to regular order, to have hearings on something like health care, a bill as important as this, some bipartisan efforts there. that didn't happen. they were trying to ram this through. >> reporter: i have to tell you, i'm a little bit surprised that we are getting john mccain coming out front on this before we have heard from lisa murkowski of alaska, before we definitively heard from susan collins of maine. i think that tells you a little bit about his thinking in context of what was going to unfold over the course of the next few days. think about it. they have a huge hearing that is now schedu

i should point out, the cbo said they would have a preliminary score.e cbo won't have are analyses of the full impact of this, how many people might lose coverage and what might happen to premiums. >> i know many of you are saying jimmy kimmel, is that a politician or late-night guy? no, that's the late night guy. he was pushing the bill, and kimmel believes that this senator lied to his face. here's what he said. >> i don't know what happened to bill cassidy, but when he was on the publicity tour he listed the demands for health care clearly and his words were coverage for all and no discrimination based on pre-existing conditions, and the new bill does none of those things. this guy, bill cassidy just lied right to my face. do you believe every american regardless of income should be able to get regular checkups and maternity care and all of those things that people who have health care get and need. >> yep. >> so yep is washington nope, i guess. stop using my name, because i don't want my name on it. there's a new jimmy kimmel test, it's called the l

so it may be difficult for the cbo to do the kind of in-depth analysis it usually does.hat is what i would like to see, before making a final decision. and techie senator rand paul has announced he will vote no on the health care bill. on friday, in a speech in said he president trump thought senator paul might be in his words "coming around on the matter." today on meet the press, senator paul was asked about that. >> and the president's words, re you going to "come around?" sen. paul: well, i have always been for the bill. but this new bill just keeps the spending in obamacare and reshuffles it around the states. i do not believe obamacare is going away with this bill, we are just keeping the money that was going into it, it reshuffling it, taking the money from democrats's states and giving it to republican states. what happens when the democrats win? they will try to claw back the money from republican's states and give it back to democrat states. the narrow focus on the things we all agree on, expanding health savings accounts, giving governments more ability to giv

. >> but the schedule of what people might pay, pending a cbo score which you have to wait for underes for this type of reconciliation, the price won't be the same as it is now. it's going to be different. >> i think the price will be lower. what is being circulated is by those who wish to preserve obamacare and they are doing everything they can to discredit the alternative. the reality is, if you are in maine, virginia, texas, tennessee, there will be money in your state to help lower your premiums and provide coverage. by the way, we protest those with pre-existing conditions. >> protect means that they don't get priced out of their own care. that's the affordable part. that winds up being the rub. yes, you are giving money to the states as a block grant and some governors will like that. you have some republican governors and the ama and the cbo all saying, no, this bill does not keep as many covered as is the case -- >> can i respond to that? >> absolutely. >> we will cover more. that's based on a study of a different bill, and those folks put great credit in the individual mand

i don't think cbo can accurately score that within a week. lisa murkowski was praised by the liberals and the left. to me it's telling that they have gone ballistic over graham cassidy. chuck schumer is pulling out all the stops to oppose this bill which means it must have something going for it. if lisa murkowski wants to be the last senator standing -- >> especially if mccain votes yes. if she is one vote away, she'll be person spa non-grats non grar party. there is obviously some tension there. what will the president do differently? >> he might talk to lisa purchase cough ski personally -- lisa murkowski personally. trump having abandoned the republicans twice in the last three weeks, co-come back on board to help the republicans get a bill like this across the goal line by appealing to lisa murkowski to do it for him, the party and the country. kennedy: it's something that does benefit congress and the presidency. we'll see what happens. dan henin ever, thank you -- dan henninger thanks so much. president trump told rest of the world the

. >> [inaudible] without cbo full apraysal? >> cbo told us they will have a score for us. the coverage on the cash aspect of it, the financial aspect of it. we'll have a chance to look at that. >> senator graham -- >> [inaudible]. >> you all understand that we would have to deal with this before sent the -- september the 30th, and that is the answer. we'll have to deal with it because the vehicle expires at the end of the month. >> bringing this bill to the floor, to be clear? >> if we were going to go forward, we would have to act before september 30th. >> you haven't decided whether you -- >> we are in the process of discussing all of this. everybody knows that the opportunity expires at the end of the month. >> can i say something about that? >> yeah, go ahead. >> okay. here is the test for republicans. did we work as hard to repeal obamacare as they did to pass it? mitch mcconnell and the leadership has done everything we have asked and then some. i spoke to paul ryan, speaker of the house, i like send it to the house. it will pass. every republican out there believes

>> there should be a cbo score. >> the agree with that. >> and one quick thing. you know why it has to be different? because now the only way pre-existing conditions are -- pre-existing conditions are covered is because of a mandate. healthy people have to buy insurance to offset people who are sick. they got rid of the mandate, so of course it can't be the same because no insurance company can underwrite only sick people. i was an attorney. i did health care law. that can't happen. common sense says it can't happen. this bill ends planned parenthood funding for one year and results in million of americans losing insurance. we don't know the number because they want to score a political victory with the healthcare of fellow americans. that's wrong. it's immoral, it's wrong. people are going to get sick and die without coverage. >> it's a perfectly fine public policy debate, right? one person could say, look, i think the states should have the right to tailor, we'll block grant it, and if california and new york want to do single payer, great, and if mississippi a

and i'm looking forward to a cbo score to determine how much it's going to cost because that is a bigoncern. and once we have the cbo score and if it says that it's going to be very costly to every taxpayer, then we have to reconsider whether or not it is something that average middle class working families will be able to afford. but we do have to do something about health care costs. if we don't address overall health care costs like the cost of medicines like the cost of colonoscopy in one hospital versus another which you see wide ranges, then the american people are really going to continue with this conversation about why does health care cost so much? >> here's the bottom line. what do you think is going to happen by the cutoff date of september 30th? >> man, you know, i can tell you that this bill is like the zombie apocalypse. it's ugly and keeps coming back. it's going to wreak havoc on the american health care system. i think that it's going to come down to the wire and be very close and could very well pass if the american people don't start calling into their senators rig

this has been in such a rush well that the congressional budget office, you know the cbo, has not had time to score the bill. so what we had for prior repeal and replace bills, we have no cbo estimates on how many people will lose their insurance or what the impact on premiums would be and they won't be able to complete a first score. >> we do have estimates for other independent groups. and the kindest analysis, the kindest one to the bill, comes from the kaiser family foundation. and it's not very kind. it projects a $160 billion cut to federal spending on health coverage between 2020 when this would kick in and 2026. 35 states would see their health care funding decrease and in a strange twist, there would be a significant redistribution in federal funding from states that expanded medicaid under obamacare largely but not all democratic states to states that didn't expand which are largely but not all republican states. but keep that $160 billion in mind. that becomes a lot more important when we tell you about something else in a minute. so what does all this mean for your health

. >> big question too will republicans learn from the cbo numbers that they fought over during healthional budget office makes certain assumptions when health care tax reform they are often wrong republicans let cbo dine health care debate big question will they make the same mistake when it comes to tax reform, or will they look to other outfits like tax foundation a group of treasure department saying what is -- affects that have on the economy, people behavior, if they look to cbo, democrats will define debate cbo means well they will probably lose the argument. >> pressure has their own scoring area. >> intellectual -- publication think through things ordinary members of congress basically what can i bring back home argue with --, for voters totally different argument all starting to panic come january, february going to be in being nodown dragout tlebs year, to a certain extent people realizing republican party they better get something. >> can they pass without revenue neutral if they try to make it revenue neutral they loss i don't think getting it done an argument but i think

a hearing rag and i was not consulted.islati i am all for urd debating legislation not to have the cbo the independent arbiterefore less than 48 hours before a vote is scheduled to happen is sicyon process to make of mockery of the words of our colleagues from arizona. to the way they handle legislation. goi so they don't know how many millions of americans don't know if they have health care how many seniors would be kicked out how much will american premiums go up? how many have no answers oddity of these matters? but gramm cassidy does give a super grant to block blank check to an states to do whatever they want in terms of american health care. and that is over a very short period of time that means a lot of pain to an open door to some of the worst abuses of insurance. those we thought we had gotten rid of with democrats and republicans. that is why i introduced a bill this is moving power with no accountability to the states. the bill does especially serious damage to medicaid this year's debate over health care is as medicaid matters.are those that think they will not needed. tr

a cbo score will surface.hen they have, in the past, as irrelevant people think the cbo is, let's create a backlash is against these bills for the 17% approval rating. i think of further eroding republicans credibility with voters on this issue. they need to figure out something that stabilizes the marketplace, while the insurance companies are making their decisions were rates for '18 and in the future. jamming through this bill is going to come back to haunt them. >> bret: the only bipartisan thing happening up there on health care, byron, was the alexander-murray effort, lamar alexander, alexander murray, that was money to shore up insurance companies to prop up obamacare, wasn't it? >> precisely what a lot of republicans don't want to do. but i think it's time for everyone to just admit there is a significant number of republicans who just don't want to repeal obamacare. back when the house was voting on this, a number of members told me that -- they kept saying that there is 20-40 people here, republicans

the third republican senator says no after cbo analysis.n twitter this morning, my message to congress on health care is quit screwing around and fix obamacare already. they have no other choice. sam says subsidies don't mean it's a good thing. where do subsidies come from? your tax dollars. david in west virginia. democrat line. caller: our country is so divided and politically brainwashed on both parties. if the democrats have this your callersill -- and the democrats in congress would support it. why don't both the republicans and the democrats come up with their own health care bill and put it on the floor of the senate and see what happens? but we are so divided that we can't do that. the same thing with donald trump speech to the u.n. if hillary would have given that speech the news media and the democrats would have loved it. that's how divided and how brainwashed both arteries are in our country. think publicans and democrats have fundamental differences when it comes to approaches in health care that make it difficult to come up wi