commission to send a strong message that for puc staff to work with the local power to develop the best cca that is possible. thank you. >> thank you very much. and next speaker please. >> good afternoon folks. alwine from the clean energy alliance and i have the great opportunity to be chairing those stakeholder meetings that take place, fairly contentious of recent time. i wanted to address two questions quickly. one is a question of the rates and the high rates that i think everybody concerned about it at roll out time which according to the proposals that have been put before the rate fairness board are roughly somewhere depending on your tier between 18 and 30% above current bills, and it's really important that we feel, the advocates, and the commission itself feels to really lower those rates and i wanted to say we encourage every effort to do that. that the proposal you're putting forward supervisor campos would not make a huge difference in those rates. i mean looking at the numbers is that the rate recovery is roughly in the order of 10% of the rates themselves, and so if you shav

in that and that's consistent with the direction that we have been going, and not only focusing on cca but other issues under the purview of the lafco so i will introduce that resolution and will be asking some of my colleagues on the board for their co-sponsorship. >> okay. very good. do we have public comment on the executive committee report -- executive officer's report -- i think we did so we will go to the next item general public comment. >> item eight is public comment. >> okay. seeing -- we do have a comment from the public. >> i am sorry. before i kind of wrapped up before i mentioned this is a really short presentation. i know al gave the summary of the business model but if you haven't seen the report from local power and look through it and even the graphs are work looking at it and the job estimates. >> can i have that copy? >> yes, you can. >> thank you. >> okay. and now we will close general public comment. and we can call the next item please. >> item nine future agenda items. >> colleagues any future agenda items, topics for discussion? okay. public comment on future

because that area gets technical quickly and currently staff doesn't have the expertise and considering cca is a priority for us to give the time and learn the issue that is needed to do something quickly on that item so i might want to suggest on that item we reach out to the two groups and see if they have an interest working with the city and revitalizing what was discussed prior and getting information and the technology that has changed and understand what the current technologies are so we know how to go forward in a more efficient manner -- >> i'm not sure about media alliance. i think they restructured dramatically and not as much staff in the past. it's worth exploring. what is the name of the other group. >> the institute of self reliance. it's based in new york or washington dc. they seem to have a lot of staff and the person that did the report is no longer there but the title is still there so there is something doing that work that work there is. >> okay. and you mentioned black fiber as well. could you explain black fiber? >> my knowledge is limited -- >> black fiber. >> dark

clean power sf program, they appropriated an additional $2 million to go solar sf customers of the cca program. so, so, you know, we do certainly see an ongoing opportunity that links the go solar sf program to our customer base as opposed to pg&e's and i think that's one of the policy questions that the general manager is saying -- we're looking at in the long run. >> yeah, that's one opportunity. the other opportunity is that, you know, as you know, for general fund departments, we are actually charging below the cost of delivery. so, one of the things that we are also weighing is if we're going to put solar, we might as well put it on those municipal buildings where it reduces the amount of energy use which reduce our loss. so, we're looking at balancing that versus go solar which you give rebates to private citizens. so, these are all the things that we're considering we need to talk with all stakeholders. >> what is the deadline to sunset on solar deductions? >> on the go solar sf program, it's currently concludes in 2018. >> i know you said 2018 for this program. i was referring

ask overall, just concerned that this cca endeavor seems to be coming more of a distraction and maybe that's too strong a word. * and but becomes a program that may be overwhelming our other core utility functions. and i want it to either succeed or exist in a way that doesn't overwhelm those other functions which we continue to have to perform. and we should, of course, try to have this discussion as civilly as possible. so, i don't know if any of those comments help, but thank you. >> i would argue, i would argue i think the conversation has been civil, there's just disagreement. >> which is fair. >> and we'll move from that point. >> and i agree with you on that. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> for civilly agreeing with me. any other public comments? i hope not. [laughter] >> all right. public comments on matters to be discussed in closed session. any public comments on matters to be discussed in closed session? yes, mr. [speaker not understood]. >>> david pilpow. on this point i am supportive of the staff's selection of emilio cruz as the next agm for infrastructure. i ha

see that there's substantial need for purchasing to meet not just our municipal load, but also the cca load were we to dedicate our hetchy power to that portfolio. and with that i'm going to go ahead and turn the presentation over to todd reedstrom. >> can i ask you a quick clarification question before we go to todd? on slide 5 on this new 2013 high price, 2011 the price was $14 more and it seems like the high is only 10 in 2013. >> right, and that's just based on what we're seeing in the market. prices fluctuate. what was it, the 2011 survey -- no, 2012 survey the price was -- the premiums were 6 and 12. they were 14 and 26 before, and now they're, now they're, you know, 10. the -- it's just reflective of the fact that market prices change so it matters when we launch the program. >> it sounds more positive, right, that 46% at $14. then the other question i have on slide 6 which we just looked at was, you know, in these dry-er years, if we did have to purchase a mix, or non-hetchy, would that increase the cost if it were 100% renewable? >> [speaker not understood]. when it's a dry ye

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the cisco -- the success of the wpa and cca are mind boggling. the work they did to our infrastructure and protect our wild america, civil war battlefields, and historic homes, it is remarkable what franklin roosevelt did. my admiration for him knows no bounds. host: louis, cincinnati, a democratic color. you are on the air with douglas brinkley. caller: i would like to ask mr. brinkley if he remembers vietnam in 1954. president eisenhower signed the agreement to the vendor -- to defend the vietnam people from communist aggression. i think that is what started the vietnam war. guest: eisenhower also did not come to the aid of the french in 1954. he did not want to get brought in to another land war. he got us out of korea. he was not happy with the results. i do not think we can blame the onus of the vietnam war on eisenhower. there is some evidence kennedy was sending advisors and ratcheting up american involvement. there is also evidence that before he died, he was not going to be brought into a land war with our troops in vietnam. we will neve