. >> the california puc does have rules in regard to marketing in a cca environment. i'm not aware that the puc has conducted an investigation and inquired about the puc's role and campaign or any other behind-the-scenes or open activities. >> it seems like there is a great deal where now this past week my daughter was actually looking at a youtube video justin beeber and there came up shell shock. i was stunned to see it and surprised that it was not being done with pg & e and collaboration between the two. i know a lot of people feel that way. the puc, isn't that their role to look at that? >> it might be. i think that c puc would probably look at others to ask for some kind of inquiry. we haven't asked for that kind of inquiry. >> okay. just for the record, my daughter does like justin beeber. >> i'm more of a joanie mitchell fan. >> okay. commissioner mar? >> can you talk a little bit about the green tariff that pg & e is subsidizing the rate and it's competitive. can you talk about that? >> yes, the san francisco is that it supports the tariff to offer to custome

, thinking about looking at ccas in their own communities. and we got more than a dozen jurisdictions to show up, several wishing they could come, but weren't able to send anyone. there is a lot more interest these days. i want you to see that, if you go to the next slide, that pg&e's estimated rate for 2014 is 9 cents a kilowatt hour. they just filed with the california puc for a rate increase. pg&e's green tariff option as estimated by pg&e and the press would be about 11-1/2 cents. if you add the penny to the base rate expected in january for pg&e, you would get a 12.5 cent green rate for its proposed tariff. we think if we launched today with the information that we have about shell and hetch hetchy power we could have a rate of less than -- less than 11 cents per share and probably less than 10 cents. i have a slide called water recs, but i'm not going to go through because i understand ed randolph is here from the california puc. he's an expert on the state's renewable portfolio standards and will do a much better job than i will explai

solar and the non-cca goal of solar? right because we are moving forward with go solar but we have yet to move the cca. >> right? >> and so we will be able to have that conversation with that right? >> yes. >> and then with respect to the status of go solar, my understanding is that the status of it is that it is a pilot program. will we begin to analyze that and then no longer make those references and just call it a program and a budget item of the puc? >> well, it does not address that specifically, and my hope is that as we move towards a customer, you know, a san francisco customer, based program, that, that that will have the effect of terminating it. and i don't know if we ever need to make a formal declaration i think that if we are starting with our own customer its changes character and i think that the decision to go there says that we have already conclude and there is a benefit of it. >> and at that point,. and if i could clarify, just, to make sure that we have the common understanding of the facts. that th

we spoke to cca.and other private prisons insist they don't have a position on whether there should be more or less prison in the sentences. they have worked with groups like alec which for years, have pushed the mandatory minimums and tough drug reforms that basically say for the first time in american history the last 30 years, we are going to treat private dug use on par with manslaughter or sometimes rape. put people away for ten years and proved very profitable for them. >> think what bwhat is driving it, the money trail will take you wraever you need to go. thank you. >> thank you. >> you can find out more on "presumed guilty" reports are up on msnbc.com. don't forget to watch "the cycle." they have fun at 3:00 weekdays. >> you'd be surprised. >> i just watch that show. i told you how good i liked the segment yesterday. >>> atlanta children's hospital reversed course yesterday and decided to list a 15-year-old boy for a heart transplant only days after refusing to do so. this reversal follows a

cca and the ga group are the two biggest private companies. in states like california, just two weeks ago we're forced to release 10,000 prisoners because they couldn't house them anymore because of inhumane conditions. they bankrupted us. they lined their pockets with gold. politicians are laughing at us. >> as you've said, it's these private prisons that have re-enforced this war on drugs and this war on black and brown americans. you've had a unique opportunity that many of us don't ever get in a lifetime to visit these prisons, to see what really goes on. what were some of the things that you can put in context for us that we wouldn't get the chance that really shocked you the most. >> i've travelled this country. i've gone from juvenile detention centers to death row and everything in between. what i've seen as i traveled this country, abby, is i've seen so many people go into prison as diseased, right, as drug users. this is what eric holder was discussing this past monday in san francisco. they went in as diseased and learned how to bec

miss malcolm in particular because i know she has been working with many of the parties involved with cca for a very long time. you are a very quick learner. you have hit the ground up and running. and you are willing to work with them and take into account. what i need to know that we do more work out to provide what the outlook looks like. lastly to our lafco staff, to jason and miss miller, thank you for the amazing work and of course we wouldn't be here without the leadership of our chair commissioner, chair avalos, thank you very much for your steady leadership in getting us to this point and i look forward to action today. >> thank you commissioner campos and of course i inherited a lot of this from you. thank you for your leadership. >> commissioner moran. >> thank you. i tried to remove my request for speaking but the computer didn't operate. >> i am eager to hear from the public because i know there is a lot of people from the public here and i want to make sure that we can hear as many comments as possible. i think this is a historic day. i have been on this commission for five

cca has been and continues to be a strategy that could play a role and will play a role if the program is launched to help us get there. certainly not the only one. and the question is, you know, how we will ensure we have a program that meets all of those goals. so, that's where i think we're at. >> commissioner wald. >> i agree with what melanie said with the following friendly amendment. it's fine to say that we want to meet all of our goals, but i think based on what we heard tonight and what we've heard before, we cannot meet all of our goals equally. at least -- thank you, not right now. and i think the challenge -- and i have to say i'm glad it's the puc that really -- [laughter] >> -- that has the challenge and not us. >> a sfpuc commissioner, we happen to have a guest [speaker not understood]. >> it challenges how you balance all those goals. i think we have a big problem here in san francisco because we are so ambitious. >> right. >> because we do have such a huge vision. i love the notion of a green deal, a new green deal. for this program, we poured so much of our hopes and

shell would be able to draw from the county's resources if there was a problem with the contract if the cca failed for some reason. if that was the assumption, i don't think it's correct. since marine launched it's program, it has been paying it's bills and has been signing up customers and growing and i suspect now it's a very creditworthy operation three years in. >> do you know what percent is green in marine? >> marine has two products, i think their base product is 30 percent green and they have a hundred percent green product that is priced i believe around 9 1/2 cents right now. i would have to confirm that for you. >> i would question why their rates are lower? >> right. so, again, they don't have to payback a reserve. they don't have a reserve. they have until recently had a smaller staff that we are proposing on our own budget so our administrative budget is higher than theirs still and we have taken some out of it. we have about 8.6 cents in our rate for build out. they have in the process of building 60 omega watts of power. they have a little bit of a model in san francisco whi

yet cca officials insist they do not lobby for longer prison terms. in an s.e.c.iling the company was required to submit in 2010, however, it conceded that its business may be hurt by policies of leniency and conviction or parole standards and sentencing practice also. and that's the point. the war on drugs has spawned a powerful business model that needs more crime and more jail time to survive. a system that presumes guilt as a business model, and recidivism as a bonus. >> when you get out, if you're a criminal and come back, we would love to see you again. >> mark mauer is the executive director at the sentencing project, michael skolnick that you just saw in the report is the editor in chief at the global grind.com. let's look at the numbers here. since mandatory citizen sentencing, we've seen a 700% rise in prison population, 1600% jump in the private prison population. what are the implications of prisons profiting from this so-called war on drugs? >> the real implication is we have the highest number of people incarcerated in the world. we have packed these

officials and cca staff not to speak with us because the cases were going to be a lot more difficult to handle. and so we wanted to organize while we were in the detention center and at one point we were really frustrated and decided to pass out a free legal hotline and decided to chant and encourage the women to speak out against injustices that were happening in the detention center and to fight their cases. many times they're told by i.c.e. officials that there's nothing they can do and that the best thing they should do is just sign a deportation order. so me and maria, one of the dream nine women, ended up being charged with a group demonstration, even though we had tried to resolve the communication issue with a lot of cca staff and i.c.e. officials. we were placed in solitary confinement for, originally it was going to be 15 days, but we appealed it and were released a day before we left the detention center. >> lulu, everybody who participated in this action was taking some degree of risk. obviously you all ended up at a minimum in this detention center for 15 days which, its

i know that the cca legislation was passed on the way that california crisis, not as a way to provide people with clean power, but as a way to give people an alternative to the monopolies that you have in power and to give communities literally a choice over not just the fossil fuel content of their power but also all other aspects. so with that said, i just would like to urge the commissioners to approve a rate today. i think it's a simple question. the program has already been approved. i would second that by saying encouraging the commissioners to second the proposal to pass 11.5 cent rate today. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. any other member of the public who would like to speak? okay, we'll close public comment. and we want to thank members of the public for being here and representing your point of view on all sides. you are here watching this happen here and watching this process which is very important for us and make some decisions and we have had some great movement from puc staff to bring down the rates and making sure we have funding for financing for build

i agree with supervisor campos that the cca provides a way for us to take care of ourselves going forward to eliminate the shell role and to reduce the recs component which is boent labor and environmental groups are not a huge fan of. you talked about the marine model and i think we should get to that renewable energy as quickly as possible. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> hello. my name is theresa mcfarland. i support clean power sf. i'm very excited to opt in as soon as i can do that. i urge you to set this reasonable rate for this so we can move forward. thank you. >> thank you very much. before the next speaker i will read more cards. >>> i believe the rates, it's my understanding that the rates will be a way to provide tangible evidence of what we can do with the build out and jobs in the future. i think that's the key in discussions moving forward. finally i believe this is an opportunity for san francisco to be a hero and the leader in the nation as far as climate action goes. so, thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon commissio

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i would also add that marin energy authority, the cca in marin county was subject to the same claims before they launched their program several years ago, and they did not conduct c-e-q-a review in order to provide service to their customers. and they were not to. finally, i should mention in response to hunter stern's comments that the shell contract requires that whatever purchases are made under that contract will reduce greenhouse gas emissions relative to pg&e's portfolio. under any circumstance. >> all right, thank you. [gavel] >> i think we close public comment. and just to say a couple -- one quick thought, you know, that this is a big, big energy policy decision for the city and county of san francisco. i think maybe a big as the peakers. and there is so much that we want to see today bigger, bigger. during that time the environment commission and the department of environment as i said were the ones to really push and think outside the box and to exhaust all the list of questions, all the ideas to try to match vision and reality, shutting down, not building dirty fossil fue