she's -- she has much experience in the community working for ccbc as a senior planner. and worked with the community to do outroach and felt like it was really important for her to involve people in the community in the decision making. seems to be something that's very out -- part of d.n.a. so it's something that i really appreciate. and her -- many of us have carried that in terms of our values. but very few of us have excelled beyond that, in the academics. and for urban planner, she studied and continues to study and actually she's at stanford at this point. trying to get her ph.d. in this area. and she's lecturing down there. so we have somebody with the experience that she brings in and willing to serve our community, it's almost like a no-brainer to me. and so i hope that you will find her the way i find her to be very great for the commission. chair ronen, supervisors, i want to thank you for allowing me to say a few words about deland. and i hope that i will get your support and her nomination. thank you very much. >> supervisor ronen: thank you very much, mr.