we with are working with department of ed debbie mac mans who runs early education department at cde and has invited us to submit information we have on minimum wage. quite frankly because of the wages we have extensive information and analysis we conductsed on the c wages sites of which the title 5 providers are a huge subset of that program and so we will be providing that report to the state and using it to make our case. i think what is different today than 3 years ago or 4 years ago is suddenly san francisco has [inaudible] we used to be alone in the fight, now it is all of the center providers up and down the state especially on the coast. all the higher cost and there is a lot of operators giving up their contracts or not going after expansion dollars because they can't afford to use the dollars. in some ways our strategies here are support the providers to aloam to use the state dollars so we can mxmize what we bring in, but that doesn't proclude us from advocateing strongly for rate increases and some of that is aligning with the feds around the new federal block grant regul

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