kind of money out there for this kind of task for large scale demonstration projects so whether it's ceda or maybe some other model or maybe you change the tax rules or whatever it is, that is a market disconnect that is sort of screaming out for some kind of solution. and i think there are a number of interesting ideas out there. that's certainly one of them. >> thank you. thank you, mr. chairman. >> did you have any additional questions? if not, we can conclude the hearing at this point. >> well, i don't want to, you know, put a crimp in your day. >> no, go right ahead. that's what my day's for. >> i wanted to ask about china and sometimes we help, the u.s. government helps u.s. companies come up with technologies and then when these companies go to do something in china, china insists on their, you know, their intellectual property being -- giving up their trade secrets in order to do business in china, and i think this violates basic free trade principles. senator webb has looked at this issue and i believe this committee ought to explore a solution to this problem. do either of you h