but what makes him cedras is how are we going to make up the money? what tasks gasoline. let's put 10 cents a gallon for five years and raise billions to pay that off. but petroleum lobby and but -- and the oil lobby of texas did not like this idea. but if we would have done a back then, the sustainable, renewable energy revolution, more people paying more for gas may trigger that innovation. the west very much like that, so that pie chart, it seems like a conservative tide chart and on the other hand, how to pay it is something up democrats like and it makes him a true centrist. >> we're halfway through our to our look at the contender, "ross perot and the 1992 and 1996 elections. >> i just loved it prospero. i remember the 1920's and -- i just loved ross perot. all through the political spectrum, down through those years, franklin roosevelt and all of the president's, and we come to today total insanity. i watched the house of representatives and a watch the senate and everything has been turned around so that only certain people with a great deal of money, it appears,