cedric alexander, let me go to you.istened to this news conference where, again, we didn't learn too many new details. just a few about how this unfolded. we had the mayor say, though, we're in a very dark moment. gives you the sense the more information that we may learn, the worse it may turn out to be. >> well, that certainly is possible. i think that that community there in san jose certainly is very much in pain, certainly at that site. and those that are on that scene. no, we didn't glean very much from that presser. however, that leads me to believe, however, that what may be going on there is that they're still trying to make sure that they follow all necessary protocols in terms of respect to the families and those that may be injured and those that may have died in this unfortunate incident. but i think as time goes on, maybe later this afternoon, we'll learn more about the number of casualties that occurred there, more about what happened. but at this point, they certainly are being very vague in any descript

joining us now, former member of president obama's task force on 21st century policing, cedric alexanderdirector of dekalb county in georgia. now an msnbc law enforcement analyst. his latest opinion piece for "the washington post" is entitled, why reforming qualified immunity will never resolve police violence. thank you for coming back on the show. i'll add to that question that is your headline and say, why can't it be a part of reforming it? >> it can't be the reform in and of itself, mika, and here's why. even though there's compelling arguments on both sides of the aisle around qualified immunity, certainly the left make a tremendous and compelling argument. but so does the right and someone like myself, who's been a former chief of police who's. a police officer understand it from both sides of the aisle. but here's what's going to make a difference. not qualified immunity in and of itself. all that allows for is for communities and cities to get into these civil litigations around police misconduct that is costing them millions and billions of dollars across this country every yea

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