for example look at what happened to celeste kelly. >> arizona is threatening her with thousands of dollars and jail time. . john: why would anyone massage horses? because it's apparently good for the horses muscles. she has done this for ten years, and her customers wouldn't know what to do without her. >> i don't know any veterinarians in arizona who massage horses, so i take my horses to celeste . john: but bureaucrats say that's legal. >> become a veterinarian or massage horses for free. >> there are no accredited vet schools in arizona. i would have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars and at a institution where equine massage is not taught . john: this makes no sense. this college public policy procedure studies these licensing rules. why are they there? >> there are people who benefit from these kinds of things. if you have the key it makes a lot of sense to put locks everywhere and have people pay you to unlock them. there's typically a partner pattern here and says you're so dangerous, you need to protect the government from us. and the legislature not hearing from other people