celso amorim in brasilia, welcome to hardtalk. thank you, stephen.morim, i believe you are talking to me from your office in the presidential palace. just a few days ago, that building was invaded by a mob. how safe and secure do you feel right now? 0h, personally, i feel very safe now. i don't think anything will happen these days or the next days. but, of course, that was a very worrying situation, to say the least. not very much unlike what happened in capitol hill two years ago. we didn't expect, of course, that to happen, but certainly there were failures in the security apparatus. um, part of it was omission, part might be incompetence. but part might have been connivance. but when...when you came into work today and you showed your security pass and, i dare say, you went through a security scanner and you probably had a chat with some of the security force personnel on the security fence, did you trust those security force people around you? well, those i have to cross by, yes, because they have been chosen and already changed. but i think the

one man who'll be at the inauguration is celso amorim, who served under brazil's president—elect as foreignery much forjoining us on bbc news. is this going to be a fresh start or uphill battle? ? it will be an uphill battle in some respects, but we are accustomed to uphill battles. the biggest task now is reconstructing everything jair bolsonaro destroyed, because it wasn't only things we have done as a centre—left government, it has been accumulating by the civilisation in brazil, so in human rights and environment, climate, all these areas, there are lots of things to do, and everything has a reflex on foreign policy. we will get onto foreign policy. we will get onto foreign policy. we will get onto foreign policy sooner, but how would you describe brazil when you were in the administration, to the brazil of today? you say things have moved on, but try and give us some context. well, i think the main difference is in brazil itself, when luiz inacio lula da silva came, it was a big hope, but at the time there wasn't this idea of reconstructing and rebuilding. the government had difference