, by sticking the centcom patch. these were not things that could be overlooked by the resistance axis. but the outstanding event that happened and completely distorted the imagination of the americans and the israelis was the al-aqsa storm operation. al-aqsa storm operation , its outstanding feature is that this event is completely palestinian. if we don't consider the field of support , training, etc., we should separate these categories from the actual operations that were carried out by the islamic republic in the past years. and the members of the resistance axis were ready to make a decision and the zero hour operation is a palestinian operation. well , after 75 years of occupation, the palestinians reached a point where they were able to carry out a strategic intelligence surprise against the zionist regime that claimed to have sovereignty in the region and now the americans are not, i am going to be the authority of this sovereignty in the region. the image of the superiority of the zionist regime in the regi

>> if it wasn't for my investigation, centcom never would have reopened an investigation. it was this, you know, very brave sniper that came forward tyler vargas anders that said i had the suicide bomber in my sights asked for permission to engage, permission was denied. >> centcom defies that happened. >> they denied it happened. i want to know where they got the picture. is that a picture of the bomber at the site or where did they get that picture? we don't know. >> h being the airport. i want to ask you, 11 marines, one sailor and one soldier lost their lives at abbey gate when that suicide bomb ter detonated. on tuesday the speaker of the house is presenting an award to the family members of the fall. that's debate day. you would agree all gold star families need to be respected in this country, more than 2400 americans were killed in afghanistan. 45 combat deaths under donald trump. why aren't all of them being honored? why only these 13? >> this is one of the deadliest days in afghanistan. it could have been prevented if the state department did its job by law and e

zionist regime without american support and without the support of the countries that are in the centcom complex with the americans are involved in an operation like the bahrainis , like the emiratis, like the saudis, like the kuwaitis . it is not feasible at all. the same night when the operation took place, mr. haj mohsen was martyred in beirut . night of the americans from their headquarters in kuwait pahvad boland. 8 abi headquarters, a number of hashte shaabi commanders and one of yemen's ansarullah commanders who were in iraq were martyred, and the next morning we witnessed the assassination of mr. ismail haniyeh in tehran. mr. hashem zadegan is an operative. when you want to carry out an operational campaign, that is, several operations in a row, it is not possible to coordinate between the various units and the actors who participate in this operation. what you say is that the level of operations that took place in the limit of 3 cases is actually indicative. it is that there was a previous coordination between its components . it must have been two months before this operation ,

reflects on his career and in particular the three years that he spent at the head of central command, centcom,. from 2019 to 2022. so again, general, welcome to stimson. we share a profound interest. some might call it an obsession with the islamic republic of iran. and in your book you refer to iran as the core problem that you faced. central command. you've obviously studied iran deeply. i was struck by your knowledge of iranian. you write, iran is a genuine, legitimate hegemon its region and to deny or minimize the existence of this history is to ignore the basic facts of the geostrategic situation. so so much of us policy toward the middle east certainly the last four decades since the iranian revolution has focused on containing or confronting iran. so i guess begin with a kind of broad question. that is, what have we gotten right? what have we gotten wrong over that that that period of history? and is there a way to reduce this enmity for the benefit of the us, iran and the entire region and how have our own actions u.s. actions and the ongoing gaza war made it more difficult to reduce

i think that the sign of this is that the centcom general, the us general supposedly in charge of entire west asian region, is back in uh the occupied palestine, i i think he effectively outranks jalavi, the chief of staff really the us, i believe, is is interven to directly manage the crisis that the israeli military is going through? well, tim, it it does seem that the resignations and design is israeli entity are falling one after the other, we did see that uh you see shariel or sell at is being said in the media that he was resigned, despite the fact that we've never seen him before, we've never even read a statement by him before, it's just the israeli media saying that, but what does the resignation? if he was resigning and not particularly dead as claims, if major general yosi shariel and other high ranking officials resigned, it reveals certain internal challenges inside of cionist israel, what kind of accountability do you think this will lead into within the zionist regime itself, and what does it mean that someone like your resigns? well, yes, we don't really know, and the isr

the one hand, well, we are witnesses this is that the american central command, which is known as centcom general kurila, enters the occupied territories and meets with the military and senior officials of the israeli army, and from that side, for example, ammunition. and it provides advanced and deadly weapons to the zionists, and they also pour them on the oppressed and defenseless people of gaza from this side. well , is the foreign minister mr. blimken or is he mr. ames ockstein, he comes and goes, now they take their role and go and talk to the egyptians , they talk to the lebanese authorities, let's negotiate, make peace, and so on. there should be a cease fire from that side, well, that face is now a wild and violent american. we see that they are fully supporting the zionists and their crimes. well, this double and contradictory face of the americans should be revealed to the world, although this has happened in this era for about a year and according to the supreme leader. the harsh and brutal face of the zionists and the americans somehow became public opinion of the world at th

the hebrew media reported that the commander of the united states' central forces, centcom, is going to tel aviv today , where he is going to meet with the authorities of the zionist regime . he traveled, meanwhile, the crimes of the zionists in gaza continue. we have seen attacks in the last hour. likewise, in the last hour , the zionist regime has attacked syria, which was met with a response from the syrian defense. the latest statistics show that 5 people were martyred and around there are 20 people that we will have more news about now, but they are defensive syria and the syrian army have announced in a statement that they repelled this attack. in this regard, we want to talk to mr. region until now about this, because we know that we are on the threshold of one year of al-aqsa storm. how successful has it been for about a year? in your opinion , how much has it actually achieved its goals? yes, thank you very much. having many from and the islamic republic of iran in response to the crime of assassination of martyr haniyeh and martyr. it means that the public opinion of the ar

-- despite objections from the secretary of defense, the joint chiefs of staff, the comearksd of centcomer in charge of nato on the ground including individual countries. joe biden and the last person to leave that room, the vice president, made this decision virtually on their own. >> yeah, it is not enough that you have, you know, screwed over 13 family members, refused to look them in the eye. even give them the dignity, the respect of telling them what happened, how about the american people? how about the people in the -- in your own state department? i mean, they didn't have a plan. they have got -- you have got an ambassador who is faking covid tests so he doesn't have to stay and can get home and back to his vacation this entire thing is just -- it's loaded with fraud, waste and abuse and mismanagement and lies. >> brian: david, we need two hours. how about this? they found out that they are trying to investigate abbey gate. they found out that there was destruction to deletion of photos videos and more. they couldn't get answers. delay of game. people wondering why this report c

them rather than a war, um, it's really clear that the us is involved in the command, the head of centcom "the general and head of st.com has been in the occupied palestine with the israelis commanding the operations that are going on, it's not simply a question of them providing the weapons, it's also the fact that they are directing the operations there. now they may want some different variation of an outcome in the lead up to the the us elections in the next month or two, but uh they are directly involved in it and so really the us is directly responsible in the in the genocide and in the failure to come..." to some form of cease fire, that's right, my fantina to wrap this up, do you think the us uh doesn't want an this unslow to stop uh, sorry wants this onslow to stop, but it's forced to support the israeli regime, the us is not forced to support any genocide anywhere in the world, it uh is content and happy to have this continue because it the united states believes that if israel can slaughter all the... palestinians or drive them out of palestine, then one of its major foreign po

some countries. the face for example, let's assume that the qataris, who are at the main air base in centcom, did not do the normalization. however, due to the fact that the zionist regime became a member of sandcom, now the advisors of the zionist regime are present at the military installations of sandcom in doha, qatar. it completely confused the americans and israelis and their plans, the al-aqsa storm operation was the al-aqsa storm operation. its outstanding feature is that this event is completely it is palestinian, if we do not consider the field of support , training and separate these categories from the actual operation , which was provided by the islamic republic and members of the resistance axis in the past years, the decision-making and the zero hour operation is a palestinian operation, well after 75 years of occupation of the palestinians. they reached a point where they were able to carry out a strategic intelligence surprise against the regime. i have sovereignty in the region, and now the americans are not. i'm sorry, it means actually the countries of the region that was

a meeting was held, hosted by centcom, with the presence of the chiefs of staff of the uae, kuwait, saudi bahrain. the published news is an open news and an official news . . it must have been related, because in the operations of each one , does this meeting have anything to do with these actions? we want to check the role of these operations independently. the saudis later issued a statement saying that they did not participate in this operation if israeli fighters were using saudi airspace. on the night of the american refueling operation, the american refueling plane took off from a base in saudi arabia , and a refueling operation took place in the saudi airspace for the fighters of the sohenisti regime. the bombardment took place and these saudi returns cannot say that i did not participate in that operation, leaving the airspace for the zionists to participate in the operation. the jordanians can't say that we did not participate in the terror that happened in the command of the defense operation, which happened, for example, in the tofan volaq operation, in the sadiq operation. we

becomes a commander in the israeli system is going to have to deal with netanyahu and to deal with centcoms task really for any of those israeli soldiers who are pushed up. up the grazy p there. well, tim in light of the ongoing criticism of the israeli entity police and the recent resignations from all positions across the military and the police sector as well, how might these factors maybe influence the public discourse within the zionist entity and the political stability as well, because some are all also calling for early elections at the moment in cyanist israel, particularly in relation also to the current genocide ongoing in zinus israel. yes, that's right, and of course the situation is quite fragile in terms of the internal cohesion in israeli society, just yesterday, i believe it was the halabi, the chief of staff was saying to the public and to the families of the presidents of war still held in gaza that every day that goes on there's less chance are going to be recovered alive, so that's not helping netanyahu's relationship with with his constituency, basically um the the th

intelligence reports that immediately after the attack , the central command of the united states centcom sends reports to the us army. according to the result of this attack, muttahida will evaluate what happened, so it was so prepared when it wanted to collect information and see that it was very bearable and check that what happened now we are witnessing it in the scene of developments in lebanon , it is not all at once and according to the schedule and according to the plan. the use of terror, occupation, apartheid, war crimes, genocide, all these are the things that nilat tafarati proposed in the process of dominating this region. and on the same basis, it is carrying out its own attacks, even the 6-day war between the arabs and israel is part of this scenario, which the zionist regime has followed, and now it seems that it is implementing parts of this plan and is looking for this. to complete that general plan and this is what happened in zahiye that the end of all the efforts that america and israel put forward to create a peace between the arabs and israel with the islamic world

, quote any intentional destruction but do you think it was intentional and how i don't you know, centcom because of my investigation sitcom reopened a review after tyler vargas andrews, a sniper, said i had the suicide bomber and my sides and he was not given permission to engage all we wanted were give us a videos, give us a photos the problem is that they destroyed almost all videos and the documents. i don't know. i'm not going to say it was intentional. the fact is we just don't have the evidence. the best evidence we have nor the marines on the ground who have testified that they saw the taliban shooting americans. one of the soldiers said i was shot by a gunshot by the taliban. why is that important? because that would implicate the taliban is working in concert? with i.s.i.s. k. >> now remember i.s.i.s k. this for people don't remember i.s.i.s. k. is the group that carried out the suicide bombing. >> that's right. the narrative is always that they fight each other. but with the americans, there they you know, they and, the bomber came out of bagram by the way, jake thousands of i.

the zionist regime of travel is one of centcom commanders to the occupied territories and meeting with regime officials. the zionist and the investigation of the developments of the war announced what message this trip has at the current stage in view of the attacks of the zionist regime on syria. see what is important is that after the storm operation in al-aqsa, the zionist regime suffered an irreparable defeat according to the words and orders of the prophet. mr. supreme leader of the revolution, saying the irreparable failure is the irreparable failure with the meaning that when israel accepted the al-aqsa storm operation, it was actually surprised, because we know that according to the principles of israel's bangorion in fact, all of them place their division in the field of strategic depth and take pre-emptive action . for example, now, regarding the explosions in syria , the israelis interpret it as pre-emptive action . they say we took pre-emptive action because in fact hizbullah is in a feedback situation for the second step of the bloodshed of mr. faad shekar, therefore , whe

ferdowsi , the zionist army has informed about the trip of one of the centcom commanders to the occupied territories and his meeting with the zionist authorities and the investigation of the developments of the war . what is the message? see, the important thing is that after the laqsa storm operation , the zionist regime suffered an irreparable failure. accepted according to the words of the supreme leader of the revolution saying that irreparable failure is irreparable failure with the meaning that when israel accepted the al-aqsa storm operation, it actually suffered a the principle was surprised because we know that according to the principles of bengurion, israel actually places its division in the area of ​​strategic depth and takes preemptive action. we took precautions so that hezbollah would not take the second step of seeking the blood of mr. faad shekar, so that after a week the israelis would be confused and bewildered and three layers of information protection. it can almost be said that the army's morale and psyche fell apart gave a hand israel's defense systems were seriou

yeah, that's what the military uh centcom uh commander citrioli has said to israel twice and and two trips that the united states will not be part of any war aggression that israel initiates against any country, and that's because no american citizen would support it, no american soldier would uh go and participate in in it uh, this was told to his outrage, he thought he would manipulate the united states and again, like he did in 911, create this false flag artificial war that suddenly he could transform into some existential drama that the united states had to fight on behalf of israel against iran or syria or lebanon or anywhere else, and that's just not going to stick. that's not going to grow in today's climate. after 20 years of war, we've witnessed nothing but the destruction of the american reputation, the destruction of our economy and the transformation of america into a police state, and so many different levels everything that eminated from the israeli participating attacks on 9/11 and the israelis were part of 9/11, there were numerous ' citings of israelis admitting tha

and if, if us forces are attacked, then centcom has given orders to respond, then that could ultimately bring in the us against the very targets that the israel is also attacking. so that's, that's, that, that's another way of, of, if you don't go into it through the front door, you come in through the back door. so that's basically what could occur. but there's, there's increasing calls now, particularly from some politicians in europe to basically sanction israel for continuing this. wanted killing that the attack into is into 11 on tonight. was, was not self defense. that was an invasion. and i think you've got to be very clear about that. this is now an invasion. and it any other country that they would be roundly condemned and, and would be and would be and would immediately have sanctions imposed. so let's see what these other countries decide to do in the coming days. are they gonna be brave enough to take on just real at this point? or it has israel now become so crazy that they'll take out anybody that opposes them. uh no matter who it is, and i think that we're dealing with so

that's what it was the centcom and ruth ickes went out at the same. yeah, yeah, yeah. so it's a little over a years. yeah. it took him a while, it didn't he gradually the first person he i think he did get rid of was frances perkins. and he actually said, i don't want a woman in my cabinet. he didn't say that to her. yeah, he did. he did. i'm sorry. and on that note, we are going to wrap up this session. thank you very, david.

kinds of surgical operations, because just days before this latest round of escalation, the head of centcom, which is the or who is the commander of us troops in the middle east and north africa, us troops in the region, he was there, he met with the israeli official. just days before this latest round of escalation, so this this asks or this poses a question, how much is america involved in this new or in these new war tactics, the detonation of the pages, and also these surgical strikes that took place in southern beirut, particularly the one which took out ibrahim and the number of other senior commanders. ivan's president has made a statement, not now, it's not very new, but it's relatively new. i like to understand your um take on it and he has said quote cannot stand alone against the country that is being defended and supported and supplied by western countries by european countries and the united states. what do you make of that statement? yes, i saw that statement and i think that uh this uh begs the question that uh this might be availed caution or warning that iran would come to

call called israel, israel is catspore of the us in this region, it's doing all these things, the centcom commander, um, i've forgotten his name, he is responsible for this entire west asian region, he visits regularly, the occupied palestine, the us is controlling these, all of these sorts of things, so when they bomb beirot, the us is doing it through its israeli proxy, um, they're talking. about a ground operation now, which uh, nastrala said he would welcome that because it brings the enemy to them into their terrain, and without the advantages they have of attacking with missiles and planes from the air, so it may be that the the us is allowing this green lighting, this which you know there are some internal of course debates we know within the israeli camp and within washington too about this, but nevertheless none of this happens unless it's green or directed by the us, the us is really responsible for. of this war and and it's wrong, i think to see the israelis as something separate as nastrala cautioned us some years ago basically, so uh, to the extent to which the us wants furth

when i was working for you gentlemen, second year on committee staff, the f.y.2021 bill part of centcom's unfunded priority list. but different discussion. i believe it was general mackenzie's first year, counter u.a.f. was the only answer that wasn't funded and we have seen an explosion and this trend of systems around the world and conflict virtually everywhere. >> and that was later. we need to innovate this tech tholing and field hearing out in silicon valley on monday that mike rogers led and we have all technologies that are crucial to defense at this point. things are moving rapidly and the department of defense is terrible and terrible at buying software or making a quick decision that are necessary. u.a.f. is the tip of the iceberg, how do you make sure your weapons' systems, how do we buy those new technologies? missile defense. we need to get better at it and move quickly and this is a bipartisan priority. the only person i can think of that feels more passionately than i do is mike rogers and we need to rework the pentagon and change the requirements process and build more fle

so could we see a wider war in the middle east in centcom general, thank you for being here.sure looks like israel is trying to preempt a hezbollah attack or invasion into israel. do you think they'll succeed? >> well, they are-- first of all, it's great to be with you, david. david: thank you. >> i think they're doing a lot of the right things right now. they're clearly trying to exploit the disarray sewn into hezbollah by virtue of the last week or so. i think what israel's strategy is here is to, again, force hezbollah to come to the table and avoid another war of attrition on their northern front. they have a goal, they want people to get back into their homes and they want to figure out a way to do that and one of the ways is through this extraordinary military pressure of applying dinner tools, sab sabotage, strikes against launches and strikes against key leaders having a devastating effect on hezbollah right now. david: by the way, these pager bombs are just extraordinary. had you ever seen anything like it at all in modern warfare? >> well, again, i won't talk too mu

larry: if you are secretary of defense, and change joints chiefs, and head of centcom.f they are against it, if the head of your national intelligence is against it. it sit is inc conceivable to me they would buck that, joe biden thought he knew better, he went and lied. he had tolly ily lie to say it was great success, thin saying no americans were made. i know mistakes are made in government and high table, i understand, what i don't know is why it seems so many untruths from this particular administration. i have worked for two presidents, i have been around a couple more, i have seen many others you, too, i know that presidents can exaggerate or embellish, these are just flat out untruths, i'll call them, i think have caught up to both mr. biden and ms. harris, i don't think that american voters want to see that, in information age, where truth is easier to get, i don't think that american voters like this one darn bit, i think they see this size a sign of weakness not strength. >> i think you will see it tomorrow night in debate, that is why people want kamala harr

that's what it was the centcom and ruth ickes went out at the same. yeah, yeah, yeah. so it's a little over a years. yeah. it took him a while, it didn't he gradually the first person he i think he did get rid of was frances perkins. and he actually said, i don't want a woman in my cabinet. he didn't say that to her. yeah, he did. he did. i'm sorry. and on that note, we are going to wrap up this session. thank you very, david. and now it's my pleasure to introduce the author featured this hour molly guptill manning is an author historian, curator and associate of law at new york law school. she's the of the new york times bestseller when books went to war the myth of ephram tutt and the war of words. she's spoken across the country about the power of the written word and it's curated the exhibit the best red army in the world, which was on display in new york city in 2023 and will be traveling california later this. the exhibit, the essential role that books and newspapers played world war two. before became a professor, molly worked in the york federal courts for 13 y

news producer more than 24 hours after the attacks there has been no statement from the pentagon or centcombout them for this afternoon the white house said fighting to me too call this vice president national security team, to receive an update on the middle east and reviewed the status of u.s. forces in the region. president biden released a statement about the israeli strike that killed hope hezbollah founder and leader which says in part hassan nasrallah it was a terrace with american blood in his hands. across decades, his leadership of trent 17 destabilize the middle east and led to the killing of countless innocent people in lebanon, syria, and around the world. just a day before the strike biden's defense secretary lloyd austin was in london asking for peace. >> israel and lebanon can choose a different path. despite the sharp escalation in recent days a diplomatic solution is still viable. a diplomatic solution, not a military solution, is the only way. >> tonight warships in the strike group remain in the red sea and around the middle east. you have the amphibious ready group in t

's report centcom a sweeping american and iraqi rate of skilled for isis leaders last month.hat announcement comes as a president biden made a quick trip to delaware yesterday in a set to return to the white house any minute now. lucas tomlinson is there at the white house waiting for the president to return. >> that is right president biden is expected to land on the south along any minute now the raid you mentioned was carried out by members of the elite 75th ranger regiment part of the joint special operations command. officialsofficial sitcom but one ground was fierce but seven american soldiers were wounded including one who took shrapnel to the leg. despite that vice president kamala harris made the following claim during the debate. >> as of today there is not one member of the united states military that is an active duty in a combat zone and any war zone around the world. for the first time this century. >> getting after the u.s. dwight d eisenhower launched f-18 super hornets like this to carry out air strikes warships in the red sea shot down dozens of ballistic mi

depended on the united states, the israeli government of prime minister netanyahu has been dependent on centcom, has been dependent on u.s. intelligence, particularly to stop attacks like the one that came from iran. it was really the u.s. that came in and provided the intelligence, provided the anti-missile support, using resources that israel had and bringing in a lot of other resources. but it's not shocking, because many in this country, many i've spoken to around the region, believe there's a vacuum of leadership in the u.s. that they are already looking beyond president biden. they're looking to see who the next president is, so they're not terribly concerned about the opinions of the current president. they're doing what they want for as long as they can, and we'll deal with the consequences with the next administration. >> that's certainly what the prime minister seems to think, especially with his visit to mar-a-lago, which is traditional, but it was a very pointed visit during his last trip to the u.s. >> and same with zelenskyy, also doing the same thing, going to see trump. he's goi

root view that the us has not sufficiently mitigated the threat from houthi missiles i think that centcom have done a tremendous work in taking care of incoming missiles and us navy has done tremendous work. >> i think life-saving work shooting down incoming rockets, missiles, and drones. first of all, keeping themselves safe. and also helping in defending israel, which i think is tremendous and that's a decision that the u.s has to make. i think maybe the houthis perhaps are interpreting the gap between what has been said and declared and what eventually has been done as something that indicates what the real intentions of america are. and when you compare it to what israel has done, which is to, we've said pretty little, but actually struck them twice. then perhaps there's a certain gap there that from the houthi perspective, i think should be should be narrowed are you communicating that israel intends to wipe out the houthis in yemen at this point? >> no, i don't think that is well, there has neither the intention nor the capability at this stage unlike what we're seeing with hezbolla

the operation highlights centcom's ongoing efforts to support our sdf partners to mitigate threats of future escapes, and to ensure the enduring defeat of isis. while experts say isis is regaining strength, their numbers are still low and there was no imminent threat of a major attack on american soil. in washington, rebecca castor ktvu, fox two news. the harris and trump campaigns are targeting voters in different states today, with plans to speak on the economy. new polls show vice president kamala harris is leading in several battleground states today. she stops in new hampshire what's considered a reliably blue state. she'll speak on her plan to help small businesses. well aware of the historic progress that the biden-harris administration has made in job creation, health care access and so many other critical areas, you've got a presidential election creating anxiousness. you've got a slowing or potentially slowing global economy, as well as a slowing us economy. you've got china demand slowing. you've got oil disruptions around the world. in libya. republican presidential nomine

former secretary of state mike pompeo a long list of others former joint chiefs chairman, others, centcomecause of iran's death threats targeting, killings, ordered by their head of the revolution guard. iran's general for the killing, rather, of iran's -- general hassum in 2020. this is the revenge. former national security advisor and u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john bolton living under this threat. thank you for joining us. your reaction to the state department putting a $20 million reward for the iranian who issued this death threat against you? >> i think it certainly is entirely warranted from a law enforcement point of view. the sort of activity that the justice department's and other parts of law enforcement at the federal level have been working on. i do think that we should understand what iran is up to, however, as more of a national security threat. that this is activity they've engaged in that threatens a lot of people including american civilians, exiles from iran and europe and elsewhere. but when they come after u.s. government officials, current or former, for doing their

you served in africa, and centcom and basically as i sit around the world and i recently heard you describerent landscape. you said i've been wearing the uniform for 39 years and this is probably the most dynamic and challenging that i've seen it yet. how would you assess the threat assessment? i know that this is unclassified of course but the global security environment and how do you see the current stage in the global arena? >> i think about when you look at the national security defense strategy not only in this industry but also the previous administration it's laid out five challenges, russia, iran, north korea. when you look at all five of those, five of them are active at the moment and in some aspects working together. you see that particularly when you look at what is happening unprovoked to neighboring countries providing capabilities than we have violent extremists operating around the world. when you think about that it does make the world more complex but also the dialogue among our allies and partners and that is one of the areas i see is most important in a couple of differ

room, i think after the klm airline was shot down over ukraine and general breedlove, who was then centcom commander saying as long as it takes us two years to identify the russians as being the people responsible for what happens. we are losing the fight. and i think that's a problem. now, i appreciate everything you're saying about legacy systems. but the reality is still until we get that information domain into our discussions, we are not winning the fight. rep. harman: i agree. and we have to attribute where attacks are coming from in real time. it's tricky, for example, in responding to cyber attacks to know whether if china does something to us or russia or some criminal syndicate, we should respond immediately because for tat can lead to unwise outcomes for us. but nonetheless, we have to know who did what to us. and you're totally right and we are not working the global engagement center at the state department which has that as its goal is not integrated with what we're doing at dod. so when we address that, we do say that that the state department, defense department have to ali