at center for american progress and editor in chief of think progress tell you why he was a guest on our show on monday night. it was deprogrammed this network if you could go to the funders and say stop funding this a then what does that accomplish while it stops these five individuals from operating and producing the propaganda that they are producing every day which then stops the cycle of people using it on fox news and. the washington times the national review radio our website like rush limbaugh and michael savage and politicians that's right it's the worst kept secret in down box new without spread a lot of phobia how many of these so-called experts on muslims and islam mentioned in this report often appear on their shows and that's why eric bolling is making up claims in quotes on air trying to spread it is support seems like a fair and balanced network for a family like it when they're being called out for what they do and that's why we're giving eric bolling tonight's tool time award. ok time for happy hour and joining me this evening is our key correspondent christine for

of fear and then we were part of the conspiracy of the islamic conspiracy come to the center for american progress and to come here to washington d.c. and it's really interesting some of you want to impose sharia law right we were the ones that are trying to push through a lot of you know there are people like frank gaffney doing this it was an old reagan hand you now has a sort of fear mongering to war and this is a man who also went after george bush and grover norquist are also being part of this conspiracy so you know where these people are coming from their you know they're not of sort of muslim dating anyone out there in the world. and and have you and you've been successful in regarding their rebuttals. you know i think we have you know we've gotten a fair amount of media attention i think that a lot of not just muslim groups but a lot of other sort of interfaith groups and groups in america they're sort of pushing for religious tolerance you know groups that have fought for a long time for civil rights and civil liberties they've been allied with us and they help spread our message and i t

center did a great job of this. they even caught most interestingly of all an alleged incident of plagiarism against the fellow named lee bang who worked for the center for american progressral think tank who tweeted himself, this is lee tweeting. "a lot of your story looks familiar because i had it first." those are serious allegations. the "new york times" ought to investigate. something tells me that they are not going to. >> rich, it begins in very first paragraph of the story. on the third floor of a gleaning office building overlooking a golf course. it goes on and on. well, the san diego union tribune shot the video afterwards there is no golf course. it overlooks a busy highway. how can the "new york times" be this irresponsible? this reporter wasn't careful enough. again, the thrust of the story is that issa is corrupt. if you put that on the front page and played it with a big headline, you have responsibility to take it back. >> the times public editor is now investigating. do you think it should be retraction of the story? >> i think they should retract specific things found to be wrong. you have to hand it to the times. they have a public editor and have some

and the lessons aren't just overseas they're right here in the united states too but the center for american progress has pointed out individual states have reacted differently to the recession with twenty four states choosing to cut spending and twenty five states choosing to increase spending and guess what happened pretty straightforward it's actually quite amazing as the states that cut spending saw their economies shrink on average by nearly three percent they also saw on average a one percent point increase in the unemployment rate so in twenty four mostly republican states spending cuts lead to higher unemployment and lower economic upward. on the other hand states that increased spending grew their economies and lowered unemployment an average states that increased spending so i half point increase in economic growth and it's intense of a percent drop in their unemployment rate as in more jobs are created in the mostly democratic states and their economies perform better but none of this mattered to republicans in congress who demanded deep spending cuts and even held our economy hostage unti

attorney policy analyst and blogger at the center for american progress in great to have you with us if you back thanks tom thanks for joining us first of all just to you know we kind of recap what's going on with rick perry there have been this kind of read you know jury mannering goes back basically to the founding of the republic. are there any serious efforts that are being made beyond things like enforcement actions by the department justice to stop. this this every ten year dance that goes on we'll see what changes the ten year dance has to go on to some extent because the reason why the redrawn every ten years is because of the census so you have to redraw all the districts that the districts are reasons lisa we should run faster into the problem is that you have this you have this game where whichever party is in power tries to draw the districts to maximize their own power for the next ten years and take it away from the other party and that's what's going on here is that the republicans control texas they are of course drawing their lines to try to get as much republican pow

will likely top three trillion dollars by the time they finally end if they ever do the center for american progress examine in what ways we could have spent that money instead of bombing the middle east and killing or displacing millions of people including over six thousand dead american soldiers turns out with bush's war money we could have instead given fifty nine million children health insurance every year for the last ten years where we could have sixty three million people to college for free every year for the last ten years or we could have hired one point six million elementary school teachers every year for the last ten years any one of those alternatives would have made our nation far wealthier and safer than the endless wars that george w. bush declared in the wake of nine eleven and tragically that barack obama continues today. and it's not just about the persistent u.s. military presence in iraq and afghanistan that have bankrupted the nation so about the endless drone strikes around the world from yemen to somalia to pakistan that have killed so many innocent people and leave muslim

the civil rights act the voting rights act all of those challenges fail according to the center for american progress of all nine supreme court justices remain consistent in their previous rule. and then at least seven on the high court will favor the affordable care act then again they will rule in an election year and given that this is one of the most politicized spring courts in our nation's history pretty much anything can happen but if republicans were hoping to use the supreme court's decision for political advantage no one let romney know here's what he said about the individual mandate yesterday on the sean hannity radio show. the idea for a health care plan was not by i don't know the heritage foundation a great conservative think tank helped out that i'm told rich was one of the very first people who came up with the idea of the individual mandate that years and years ago it was it would seem that they conservative idea to say you know what people have responsibility to care for themselves that they can that's right the individual mandate which conservatives claim is unconstitutional was a

there was pressure here from from the center for american progress but how it's a forty two million dollar a year industry it's become a major tool of so-called news to make their viewers afraid and so they're constantly check the t.v. and i was a go and what's going on they've created an other that they have sort of successfully basically demonized and it leaves the series writes the drone strikes and rights abuses human rights abuses you know pretty people in these horrible prisons that the banner writes about what for example we have had two and now the third consequence of nine eleven we are in two wars and arguably several others with two full blown wars frankly you're more likely to die from lightning than from a terrorist strike anyone went through the troubles with the ira i mean you had maggie thatcher was the then the prime minister of england they blew up number ten downing street the home of the right house you know they almost killed the prime minister the prime minister of italy eleanor actually was killed he was kidnapped and stuck in the back of a truck and by europe went t

fact it was the center for american progress blogs or maybe a month or so ago pointed out that there are twenty. five states with democratic legislatures and governors that have increased taxes increased spending and seen their unemployment rate fall and seen their g.d.p. grow grow and there are twenty four states with republican governors republican legislators that have cut spending cut taxes and seen their unemployment go up and seen their g.d.p. go down so and in net net since president obama became president there's been about five hundred thousand government jobs that have been laid off that my recollection of the math is right. if those government workers in those republican states had not been laid off right now unemployment people will wait percent and obama wouldn't be in this trouble he's right am i looking at a conspiracy here or at least a political strategy you know it's the republicans keep state good in public and they keep making statements that government should shed more jobs that you know the state local and federal levels which is crazy because as you mentioned t

and author and jennifer a former white house press secretary and now president of the center for american progressnd. >> dan, let's fact chieck the governor. said he said it was a state issue. >> he weighs right on one and wrong on the other. >> we'll give him half right. >> the interview took place in '07 right after a debate in new hampshire and we sat down for a web interview we were doing. i said, you talked about health care and what you had done in massachusetts but i didn't hear you say anything about taking the plan national if you were president. he said, no, absolutely not. it's a plan for the states. i believe states are the laboratories of democracy, the old cliche. but he was not pushing it as something he would try to do as president to implement for the country. >> michelle bernard, obviously, a rick perry video, rick perry is desperately trying to turn the story away from him. he's had a bad 96 hours, comes in the last week before a major fund-raising deadline. if you're the perry campaign, they believe health care still worse for romney than immigration for them. are they right? >

let's bring in jennifer palmieri, senior vice president of communications for the center for american progress. somebody who has been around the west wing. and kevin madden, republican strategist who served as the national press secretary for mitt romney's 2008 campaign. is not a paid romney person now but a supporter. >> probably wouldn't mind being in the west wing. >> we'll see. >> all right. jennifer, i want to start with you. you were in the clinton white house. you know what it's like when you have to have this communication with congress and you're trying to do a joint session speech that isn't a scheduled one a la the state of the union. your assessment on how the white house handled this? >> i think that weirdly in the end, i think dan pfeiffer is right, it's not like voters are going to care about this. i guess the one thing i would say is they probably should have anticipated that the press would have a big reaction to going the same night as the republican presidential debate even if they hadn't intended that, that there would be a lot of speculation about is this a political speec

american action forum, and heather boucher is a senior economist with the liberal-leaning center for american progressployment and economic well being. good to have you both back with us again. thank you. >> thank you. >> woodruff: heather boucher, i'm going the start with you, first. what did you hear that you think can be effectiveç jobs, which is all the president was focused on tonight? >> so setting aside politics and whether or not he'll be able to get this passed through congress, i think the most effective piece, the pieces that earn the biggest bang for their buck are the investments in infrastructure and the extensions of the unemployment insurance program for the long-term unemployed. we know that over the great recession the extensions that we have done so far for benefits have kept about 1.6 million people in jobs each quarter because when you give money to people out of work, they spend that money in their communities and they keep other peoplejeñç jobs. so it not only helps those families, but it helps their communities and it helps job creation. that's what the president is trying

ian melheiser with the center for american progress. a question for professor jones, the way you characterize the lower court's decision in the eyewitness case is they essentially said the police didn't do anything wrong and that makes it ok? >> yes, the full court said because the police officers did not orchestrate that eyewitness i.d., we don't have to engage in an analysis of whether or there was a due process violation. >> that strikes me as tragically wrong and here's why, every case i know of where the court has said the police didn't do anything wrong so we're not going to allow a remedy here, is an exclusionary rule case. and an exclusionary rule case is the nature of the case is we have evidence that we know is probative of the truth, if police find me with marijuana illegally, they know i'm in possession of marijuana. the question here is that -- is whether or not the evidence is probative in the first place. and so it seems to me as a massive shift in our constitutional wall if we're going to move towards saying the purpose o

host: i have statistics from the center for american progress. these are numbers from 2010 and it tells us that tax revenues $2.2 billion while tax expenditures -- guest: within the tax code, there are many provisions that do not have anything to do with the fair and equitable collection to run the government. it is a spending purpose. we call those tax expenditures because the purpose is more like the purpose of the government expenditure than anything having to do with the tax system. we just happen to implement it through our tax system. it does not make any difference whether the government since you a tax -- a check to help pay your mortgage or reduces the tax. what the statistics point out is that the tax expenditures have grown and grown. we are at a level of a trillion dollars. it is eating into the revenue we collect. host: i would also like to show you the irs charts of 2011 individual income-tax rates. the tax rate is 10%. the next level is a 15%. 25%, 28%. those making $174,000 are taxed at 32%. those are the published tax rates. what

joined by angela kelly, center for american progress, with us in a moment, te-- terry goreman, rhode s for immigration and law enforcement. angie, we'll start with you on this. one of the issues here is that it went through this education board, so the people of rhode island did not get to voice their opinion on this and the poll necessary rhode island, according to the providence journal, show they're very much against it. >> well, that's correct. that is a process that rhode island, you know, has gone through. certainly the board of governors are experts, professionals, they're looking out for the well being of all rhode island residents, and look, they've gone down the course that has a track record, as you indicated. there are a dozen states with over ten years experience that have provided in-state tuition rates to undocumented residents. so we know what the consequences are, and quite frankly, they're favorable. this is what we know when you provide in-state rates for undocumented residents. one is that it doesn't hurt the university. in fact, you're having qualified students en

center of the president's healthcare law continues this week when a federal appeals court hears jet another challenge. joining us, the attorney arguing the case. and the chief operating officer for the center for american progressboth. >> nice to be here. >> thank you, shannon. >> shannon: you lost the battle at the lower court. how do you plan to change the judge's minds in this appeal. >> in the court of appeals it is a whole different round. two conservative appointees and one more on the left of center. i think these are falling close to idealogiccal lines but not always. we had a republican judge went against the position we advocated in the sixth circuit and a democratic judge went with us in the 11th. this is the necessary stop for what will ultimately be decided by the supreme court of the united states. it looks like our case out of the district of columbia and the 11th circuit cases are the two lead cases right now. i suspect those will be the two granted review. it will be the supreme court that ultimately decides it. we will focus on the constitution issue which is the unconstitutionality of the individual mandate. this is a stop on the way to the supreme court. >> shannon: so folks understand where

russia and your or asia -- eurasia and sam charap who is the associate director at the center for american progress he is increasingly recognized as an emerging but already major experts on russia and of its space. let me say that this is, clearly, a very difficult issue because if you look at the u.s./russian relations during last several years, particularly since president obama came to office, there was significant progress in some areas. i am not sure that there was enough progress to say that we have achieved a lasting breakthrough. and it is quite clear that there are a number of issues, serious disagreements remain. and that is particularly true regarding u.s./russian interaction in the -- [inaudible] space where we have, clearly, different perspectives. many of us believe different interests, and it is also quite clear that neither russia, nor the united states quite controls the situation. we have a number of countries in that region who dared to have their own interests and increasingly to act on the basis of what they believe the interests, and sometimes moscow and washington are not jus

here's what matt miller, a senior fellow at the center for american progress 45d to say in the "washingtonost." what do you think about his first point that your group won't succeed without a major advertising campaign which means wealthy contributors? or the other option that someone steps forward with his or her money? guest: i think you're picking from what you want to read from that column. there's some good things in that column. i think the field that ripe and the electorate wants more choice is what's going to allow this to come forward. ultimately none of this works if there's not an appetite for it. everything that we've seen and evidence that we have shows the american people want something like this. as to your point that this can only suck seize if we had a third billion dollar campaign, we are not the we heemyutsdz of the republican and democratic party. we have definitely the david against gol eye yatsdz. we're removing a significant barrier to entry with ballot access and just like you look at the media entry right now. barriers have been removed. any american with a laptop

if you look at the center for american progress they will tell you that gdp growth would rise by $1.5trillion over the next decade if we had an immigration reform. even in this difficult economy, economy you refer to so many people who are unemployed, they they are our whole sectors of our economy which are critical, that cannot find an american worker who was willing to do that work. and that work is not only critical for the services they produce but they actually give the underpinnings are the higher paying jobs so that taking care of the hotel room leaves the hotel manager, leaves the con sierra, leaves the restaurant chef and all of those higher paying jobs the ability to attract people to go there so that you know, in the seafood industry, those who are working the ships and the work of -- the list goes on and on. talk to farmers in this country. new jersey, people don't think of it as the garden state. that is not only our name, we have significant farming interest. i talk to new jersey farmers who tell me senator you have got to get the emma gration rob him resolve because we

if you look at the center for american progress they will tell you that growth will rose by one point5 trillion dollars if we had immigration reform. even in this economy, this difficult economy, there are whole sectors which are critical that cannot find an american worker who is willing to do that work. it is critical for the services they produce. they give the underpinnings of the higher-paying jobs a so taking care of the hotel room leaves the hotel manager, the concierge, the restaurant and all of those higher paying jobs the ability to attract -- attract people so that in the seafood industry, those working the ships. the list goes on and on. it is about performers. new jersey, people do not think of it is the garden state but that is our name. we have farming interests. farmers tell me you have to get immigration problem resolved. we cannot get people to work. there are whole sectors of our economy even with this difficulty of finding employment in which you cannot find people willing to do the jobs. if you do not want to depress the wages of all workers in the united states,

. >> host: i have statistics from the center for american progress that i'd like you to explain to the audience. these are numbers from 2010. that year tax revenue was $2.2 billion while tax expenditures were $1.2 billion. >> guest: there's tax breaks that, in fact, their purpose is really a spending purpose. well, you know, something to insent behavior, to incent oil drilling or filing a home dissh buying a home. their purpose is more like the purpose of a government expenditure than anything having to do with the tax system. it really doesn't make any difference whether the government sends you a check to help you pay your mortgage or reduces your taxes. it's the same amount of money in your pocket and the same amount of money that the federal government doesn't have to provide goods and services, so the -- what the statistic points out is that both tax expenditures have grown and grown and grown and grown, and some for good and some for ail, and we're at a level of a trillion dollar in tax expenditures at this point which is really eating into the revenue we collect. >> host: also l

moran: but we learned from an excellent article by scott lily of the center for american progress that history maybe repeating itself. in 1937 conservative republicans succeeded in virtually eliminating the federal jobs programs of the new deal so as to eliminate the federal deficit. but the results were catastrophic to america's economy and society. half of the eight million jobs that have been created by the new deal were lost and unemployment went over 19%. economists generally classify the economic reversal of 1937 and 1938 as a second depression, not until military spending began to revive activity in 1940 did unemployment again drop to less than 15%. that was a long and painful experience. it would be tragedy figure we permitted the new conservative crowd in washington to repeat it by killing president obama's jobs act and sending us back into a double dip recession. those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. thank you, madam speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from new york rise? without object

the center for american progress, the children's defense fund and many others on the list that i would ask to be put into the record. the national council of lara sa and the national disability rights and i yield one minute to the gentleman of the committee. >> i thank the gentleman for yielding. mr. kline: i reluctantly rise in opposition to the gentleman's amendment, it's an unusual place for me to be on the floor of the house but i believe the gentleman from california has correctly outlined the problem. one of the strengths of an other seriously flawed law in na'il nilede was the dising a gation of data allowing parents and in this case authorizers and governors an school boards to look in and make sure there was no element in in a school body being left behind. it is important since we're trying to replicate high quality schools that that information be available. i'm afraid the gentleman from iowa's amendment would enup masking that information and depriving those who need to make decisions of the kind of information they need in order to make sure we're replicating high quality

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it's from the american center for progress.aphobia and how there's a strong group of people, $43 million over ten years to spread islamaphobia in this country. it's an organized group of people that are opposing muslims on all fronts. it has very little to do with the center, the location, the sensitivity. we decided to focus with the families first. and out of that, r group, we hope that we will be able to really create a center for healing, whether it's about location or another location. we would like to do something that is symbolic of bringing people together. >> understandably so. we wish you the best of luck in those endefers. >> thank you for having me. >>> we take you to the pentagon in where president george w. bush will take part in a wreath-laying ceremony in honor of the men and women who lost their lives there on september 11th. or wherever you happen to be... the first step on that road may well be... a bowl of soup. delicious campbell's soups fill you with vegetable nutrition, farm-grown ingredients, energy, and

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progress. >> american 11 was now a confirmed hijacking and heading straight for new york, where mike mccormick was in charge for the faa's new york center. >> huh dealt with even a potential hijacking before? >> no. that was absolutely the first time. it was a brand-new event for me. >> this is the air traffic operation at new york center. it's the largest control room in the united states. >> mike mccormick sprinted to the floor of new york's air traffic control and went directly to an already crowded screen displaying the air space where the plane was headed. area b. >> altitude and in fact they're turning southbound. i knew that it was going to be area b, so i could be with the controllers and with the supervisors and look at the radar display. >> you wanted to see that plane? >> absolutely. walked up into the radar screens right in here and went back and forth between the radar screens looking at the activity as it took place and taking appropriate actions and make the right decisions. >> with flight 11 not responding, controllers turned to other eyes in the sky, asking other commercial airline pilots if they could spot the american

progress. >> american 11 was now a confirmed hijacking and heading straight for new york. where mike mccormick was in charge of the faa new york centerth with a potential hijacking before? >> no. it was the first time. brand new event for me. this is the air traffic control room, mike mccormick sprinted to the floor and went directly to an already crowded screen displaying the air space where the plane was headed. area b. >> heading southbound, i knew it would be area b., so i could be with the controllers and the supervisors and look at the radar. >> you wanted to see that plane. >> absolutely. >> went back and forth between radar screens looking at the activity as it took place and take appropriate actions and make the right decisions. >> with flight 11 not responding, controllers turned to other eyes in the sky. asking other pilots if they could spot the american airlines jet. one of the crews responding >> one of those planes that you contacted was a united plane? >> yes. united was one of the aircraft that we asked to help identify american. >> united 175 had left boston bound for l.a. the crew had no idea, it, too was about to

for job creation. >> it has not seemed to be a discussion particularly amenable to evidence. let's try some anyway. we have a graph, the center of american progress i brought along tonight. what you'll see on it, they did something interesting. they looked at job creation over periods of time which had different top marginal tax rates. different top tax rates for the people the republicans call the job creators. what they found, i think, is essentially destroys this argument. the best years, the best years for job creation in this country actually had the highest marginal tax rates. the best five years from 1950, the -- >> the highest bar there is in the 75% to 80% top tax bracket. that's when you really saw job creation just roaring along. >> that little tiny red line, the little itty bitty one with the no job creation, that's where we are now. very, very low top marginal rate, very, very low job creation. i don't want to go too far. it's important to say we don't want extremely high marginal tax rates. they discourage work. we don't think tax hikes in general are a great thing for the economy. neither are spending cuts to things linsurance. we

for progressives and move it back to the center. >> the former dna communicator and analyst, a political analyst and contributor for the grio.com. 83% at one point and the slip to 58% with african-american voters. >> we have seen that and this is the latest poll. there has been slippage. two things have happened over the last few months. number one, the grim dismal unemployment figures with african-americans is having an impact and taking the toll. raising many questions among african-americans and really the question is that many are asking both publicly and not so much publicly, but essentially is the president doing enough. we heard it from the black caucus and other leading african-americans. that's on the table and the second thing that we have to look at is the enthusiasm gap. i am more concerned than raw numbers. the president certainly has a huge crusade in 2008 from african-americans. it really was a major factor in swinging for states and giving him the white house. i'm concerned that enthusiasm may be slipping away. there is deep concern i guess in the white house about that too. >> let me make this point. that number of 58% are people who are strongly favorable. the presiden

center and we have two american contributors to the book. former senior official in the bug on the policy, senior director for eurasia on the national security council and some director of the dissent of american progress who is increasingly recognized as an emerging but already major expert on russia. let me say that this is clearly a very difficult issue because if you look at the u.s.-russian relations especially when president obama came to office, there was significant progress in some areas. i'm not sure that there was enough progress to say that with a lasting breakthrough and it is quite clear that a number of issues, most difficult issues serious disagreements remain and that is particularly true regarding u.s.-russian relationships where we have clearly different perspectives. plenty of us believe different interests and it is also quite clear that the russian and united states hesitation with a number of countries in that region who dare to have their own interests. and increasingly to act on the basis of what they believe the interests and sometimes most in washington are not acting they're also reacting. they're not just creating situations. they're managing situations. it's difficult. it

host: i have statistics from the center for american progress. these are numbers from 2010 and it tells us that tax revenues $2.2 billion while tax expenditures -- guest: within the tax code, there are many provisions that do not have anything to do with the fair and equitable collection to run the government. it is a spending purpose. we call those tax expenditures because the purpose is more like the purpose of the government expenditure than anything having to do with the tax system. we just happen to implement it through our tax system. it does not make any difference whether the government since you a tax -- a check to help pay your mortgage or reduces the tax. what the statistics point out is that the tax expenditures have grown and grown. we are at a level of a trillion dollars. it is eating into the revenue we collect. host: i would also like to show you the irs charts of 2011 individual income-tax rates. the tax rate is 10%. the next level is a 15%. 25%, 28%. those making $174,000 are taxed at 32%. those are the published tax rates. what