joining me now is legal fellow with the new america foundation and a scholar with the center for internet and societyford law school and the author of why obama should run against the supreme court which appears in the current issue of "the atlantic." thank you for joining me. >> thank you, elliot. >> the last president i know who really went to war with the supreme court, and even he didn't win. explain your thesis to me. >> i think fdr actually did win in one way. barack obama himself invoked fdr. he said it hasn't been since 1930 when a supreme court was striking down economic regulation like the health care mandate. what he meant was for 30 years, the conservative supreme court was striking down child labor regulations, maximum hour regulations, minimum wage laws. it was a very conservative supreme court and fdr proposed judicial reform. in the constitution [ inaudible ] appointed justices and what he proposed was one of the five votes switched -- >> marvin you are correct that he won because of the supreme court -- the switch to save time -- but he lost politically. this the context of this camp

of internet researchers also in new york we have john perry barlow he is co-founder of the electronic frontier foundation and a fellow at harvard law school's berkman center for internet and society and in stockholm we got to get a lot of ink he is a media firas internet critic and author of networks without a cause all right gentlemen this is cross-eyed that means you can jump in anytime you want to gird if i go to you first in stockholm can clicking and sharing change the world. well in itself it's might not be very meaningful but from a perspective of social movements it's really interesting what comes after the residue how it brings people together what we call you know organized networks they are going to replace the old forms of political parties and trade unions and these are you know dense forms of organized. heavily supported by networked technologies that are somewhat smaller units than what we see now you know what we see now is television spectacle you know if for instance at. coney two thousand and twelve so i'm more interested in what comes after ok after if i go to alex i mean i think that's one of the things everyone else is asking too because you know what is the

and conducted research on chinese internet censorship in hong kong. additionally she was -- on press and public policy. her research fellow at the berkman center for internet societyat harvard and a senior fellow at the new america foundation. she is examining u.s. policies related to the internet, human rights and global internet freedom. this is served first book published in january by basic hooks. director of the international, director of international freedom of expression at the electronic frontier foundation based here in san francisco, long time broadband activists interested in government censorship the policing of content and corporate on line spaces. anonymity and surveillance technologies. prior to joining in may julian spent three years at the berkman center for internet society at harvard. she writes regularly about free expression politics and the internet with a focus on the arab world. she is on the board of directors of local voices on line and is written for a variety of publications including al-jazeera, À la are, the guardian and bloomberg. ladies and gentlemen please join me in welcoming rebecca mackinnon and julian york. [applause] as a pro

society. internet, microblogging. less centered media. and so on. now the chinese have, in some degree or another, access to some of this. >> it is a problem for the leadershipn't it? >> yes. one of the issues here is they're going to have to get used to it. increasing transparency is something they cannot turn back the clock on. in fact, the fact that his is a tie publicity involving a foreigner, and there will probably be bore instances where china is going to have to become much more open about the kinds of issues that this case poses. corruption, succession, responsiveness, ideology, development. these are all things that as they become more globally integrated, foreign investors, foreigners dealing with china are going to want to see more of. they will have to respond to that. >> given that the economy so much depends or has depended upon western involvement, not perhaps the primary challenge now, but what is it going to do to the way western businesses regard china? >> how they handle it will be crucially important. it comes on the back of a rio tinto executive who was also imprisoned in china just a few years ago. i think the ability of the chinese go