conversation with dmytro zhmayil, co-founder and executive director of the ukrainian center for security and cooperation, and we will talk with him about the situation near the coal mine, in particular, but let's definitely start with the geopolitical component of the war. this is the actual visit of mark ryuta to ukraine, and only a few days ago he officially started his duties and the fact that he decided at the beginning of his term to visit kyiv, to visit ukraine, is a positive signal for us, well, what do you think , here are all the rumors about what ukraine can supposedly do to receive an invitation by the end of this year, we are trying to pull this information, let's say, by the ears, are there any real reasons to think so? well, if we had no real reason to think so, then accordingly we would not have conducted this line of communication, which is conducted by the ukrainian state in the foreign policy arena. the issue of nato is really the most difficult for the allies, they accordingly do not want to take these steps, you see how the entire western community is resisting, but ukraine simply ca

formats of interaction and cooperation, we will wait for their proposals and formats of their ideas about the end of this war. pavlo lekeychuk, head of security programs of the center global studies, captain of the first rank of the reserve.