it's just a story to illustrate that he is very self-centered, and self-centeredness is part of what makes him great. >> rose: exactly,. >> anyone who is that great is going to have to have some level of self centeredness. >> rose: you have no regrets about writing this book, you feel you have laid out what is part of your life and part of his life, and you were both fair and honest and candid and didn't violate any part of the relationship you had with him. >> well, you know, obviously at the end of a relationship where there's a friendship and a working relationship, you know, things can get a little blurry, especially tiger. and, you know, i felt fine about writing the book. obviously, i wouldn't have written it if i didn't, and it's very truthful and honest, and i'm actually everywhere proud of it. i think it really talks about his greatness. tells a story about coach -- >> from a perspective nobody else has had who is talk. >> and no one may ever have. >> rose: you think sean has a different perspective or only because he comes at a different time in tiring's life. >> probably.

. >> that's a very powerful aspect of mormonism, the family - centeredness at a time when the family is in such a terrible state in america. let me just do one last thing, give you a chance to say anything else you might want folks to know about mormonism, any points we might have missed, anything that you mit think would beul in understanding the worldvi. >> well, i would just, i guess, sathis, that it's a very family-oriented religion, and that we firmly believe that it's a family responsibility to look after people. in other words, the first responsibility of a person is not to go to government welfare, is not to be a leech on someone else, but family's are responsibility for their own. and i think that this is a great thing that they've done. you've probably heard of the church welfare program. well, it's not a dole system, like the government system is. it's that people who receive help- and many do- then are expected, when they can, in what they can, to repay back, so someone else can enjoy th same privilege. but i guesi'd say that the big thing is the family-oriented aspect of

counselors against self-centeredness, that's what they are. >> host: where do they come from? >> guest: where do they come from? they were written by french just what's, and they got translated into english in the 1600s, and somehow or another, someone in virginia in the early 18th century had a copy. when washington was a kid he copied these outs but it seems like is partly pinioned ship exercise because his handwriting is very useful and takes great care over his capital letters. they are very sort of large and elaborate, carefully formed. but he also i think internalized these rules, and this is a great help to him. it's not just in terms of rising in the society of virginia, which he did. but, you know, and he probably meant -- he probably met more different kinds of people than any other american of his generation, except maybe franklin. he doesn't travel abroad. but he needs a lot of foreigners here. they're all coming here during the revolution, british officers, french officers, he's dealing with them. he has to deal as a national figure with the soldiers who are from