but if you're a rural physician, health care provider, in central pennsylvania, or anywhere in this country, 80 miles from the nearest hospital, you can't afford hundreds of thousands of dollars to upgrade your computerization and interconnected records with the nearest hospital. that's something you can't consider. that's where this is going to go, we're going to move toward having an intersected system in this country like the gentleman has talked about. we're not going to let it get to the point with the department of defense, for example, which has a wonderful health care information technology system and the department of veterans affairs which also has a wonderful health care information technology system but there's one problem. they literally cannot communicate with each other. if you're one of the brave service men or women serving our country as part of the department of defense, you're part of their program, they have your medical records. when you leave the military and become a veteran and enter the v.a. system under the current system, the department of defense sends a p.d.f.

central america and south america, and this is an expansive vision. can you give any examples of anybody -- i would like to look into this later. >> i was thinking of joseph galloway, the pennsylvania politician, speaker of the house at the pennsylvania assembly, 20 years before the revolution. benjamin franklin's political partner, they cobbled together the quaker party, dominated pennsylvania politics during the 20 years or so before the revolution. galloway was the head of pennsylvania's delegation to the first continental congress, but the war broke out before the second continental congress, he was elected to that congress, refuse to serve. he wrote a pamphlet in the fall of 1774 col they can examination and the really long name after that. another pamphlet came out in spring of 1775, he makes that argument in both of those pamphlets, that we would be better off remaining tied to great britain. then we would if we become independent. in the introduction, something that came out in 2003, a meet in the park, that was not galloway's phrase but it was the phrase of someone from pennsylvania who was taken from an essay in a philadelphia newspaper that was published 6 weeks before i

pennsylvania. i was born in the same hospital room as joe montana. we lived in tennessee and georgia, and moved to the indianapolis area when i was 10. i went to north central high school. at that time, i believe it was one of the handful of best high schools in north america. we were fortunate to go there. it showed me that you can have uncompromising excellence in public schools if you have the right elements. i went to princeton university, law school at night school. i finished at georgetown while working out here. >> what was the first thing you did in politics? >> the lowest person on the totem pole for a campaign for bill ruckleshouse for the senate in our home state. he went on to renown in the nixon administration, and resigned in the saturday night massacre. >> you worked for him when he was the first head of the epa? >> no, just when he ran for office. i finished school and fell in with the boy-mayor of indianapolis, dick lugar, our distinguished senator. he was an idealistic and very active young mayor at a time when cities were at the forefront of american consciousness. he was making great transformations in my home town. i went to work for hi