. >> minister cesar purisima, i'm going to go to you next. the thought process on the first day, what was going through your mind? >> i had known about -- jim and i were friends before i took over -- i knew this was a major issue. first of all, i said, let me see the evidence. they showed me. it was overwhelming. it is not a wink and a nod. if there is evidence, you have to take a stand. my medical training is, what is the evidence? if the evidence is clear, you have to take a stand. >> about the same time, the other side of the equation -- a big, respected german company was caught bribing people around the world. suddenly that company gets caught up in the world bank was part of it. it made a big impact on the supply side of corruption. which requires a lot more intelligence and follow-up. two dramatic instances, one from the demand side and one from the supply side. they represent a change in attitude. changing the culture. two dramatic instances where we showed we did care. >> we are in the candid zone. we are attempting to make headlines

. >> minister cesar purisima, i'm going to go to you next. the thought process on the first day, what was going through your mind? >> i had known about -- jim and i were friends before i took over -- i knew this was a major issue. first of all, i said, let me see the evidence. they showed me. it was overwhelming. this is how we have to approach it. it is not a wink and a nod. if there is evidence, you have to take a stand. my medical training is, what is the evidence? if the evidence is clear, you have to take a stand. >> about the same time, the other side of the equation -- a big, respected german company was caught bribing people around the world. suddenly that company gets caught up in the world bank was part of it. it made a big impact on the supply side of corruption. which requires a lot more intelligence and follow-up. two dramatic instances, one from the demand side and one from the supply side. they represent a change in attitude. changing the culture. two dramatic instances where we showed we did care. >> we are in the candid zone.

. >> minister cesar purisima, i'm going to go to you next. the thought process on the first day, what was going through your mind? >> i had known about -- jim and i were friends before i took over -- i knew this was a major issue. first of all, i said, let me see the evidence. they showed me. it was overwhelming. the sasol we have to approach it. it is not a wink and a nod. if there is evidence, you have to take a stand. my medical training is, what is the evidence? if the evidence is clear, you have to take a stand. >> you took the -- about the same time, the other side of the equation -- a big, respected german company was caught bribing people around the world. suddenly that company gets caught up in the world bank was part of it. it made a big impact on the supply side of corruption. which requires a lot more intelligence and follow-up. two dramatic instances, one from the demand side and one from the supply side. they represent a change in attitude. changing the culture. two dramatic instances where we showed we did care. >> we are in th