kept several kinds of stood there trying to tear through the rubble with the sure pyramid server chaffee or crap were on display what are the words the shops were always full of good rule only knew from the moment you one day mom went and saw that all the shelves were empty all your. things disappeared like that in a flash. but after that they started the food rationing. this is terrible were threatened with starvation we only have one hundred twenty five grams of bread but soon we'll only have bread crumbs a famine is coming a real one. there hasn't been a single day that i felt full you leave the table still feeling as though you want to eat. mom asks me are you full i say of course i am. because i don't want to upset or. i don't think we can survive we will never eat properly again. at least we still have run mom makes flat bread from it it's not very filling but at least you feel as though you have something in your stomach for a little while at least. for the for the well dad brought us to rhonda that it's what's left over from making some flour oil spill they used it to feed it to

senator jon chaffee of rhode island. so we're very happy to have christy with us as well. mili kaufman also has joined us. she's the executive corredirect the d.c. health benefit exchange authority. and served as the superintendant of insurance of the state of maine from 2008 to 2011. she also has served in key leadership positions at the national association of insurance commissioners and was formerly an associate research professor and project director at the georgetown university health policy institute. and joining us on the line by phone from california we're happy to have peter lee who's the executive director of covered california, a sacramento-based insurance exchange and these states insurance exchange for small businesses. he formerly served as the deputy director of the center for medicare and medicaid innovation at cms where he helped shape initiatives to implement higher quality care at lower costs. he also served as the director of delivery system reform at the federal health and human services offices of health reform and before that was the ceo of the pacif

i was, had my hearing to the epa administrator, so that would have been in december of 1992, john chaffee, rhode island -- great, great environmentalist, great republican leader, said to me, publicly said to me in my hearing, i hope i never hear you use the word balance, because your job at epa is not to balance, your job is to protect. and you don't hear that a lot these days. [laughter] >> not so much. >> so what will you miss the most? >> you know, what i'm miss the most -- >> 7:30 meetings? >> yes, those early morning meetings. it's really the people and the sense of mission and, you know, i just feel tremendously honored to have worked for a great president who is forceful on these issues, to have worked with just an incredible team of people, you and our other colleagues around not just the white house, around the administration and my colleagues at ceq who really, you know, worked day and night to make this country a better place. so that's what i'll really, that's what i'll really miss. >> well, i want to applaud you and thank you for your public service. i really think it's been