their lives, this is from "time" magazine in 1967, and those as you troe naughts, grissom, white and chaffeeho died and, of course, leading to the apollo 8 mission and neil armstrong who successfully landed on the moon in july of 1969. dave is joining us next from michigan. good morning. >> caller: yes, good morning. concerning this cold war, mr. gorbachev sat across the table from george h.w. bush and united the germanys, gave the warsaw pact nations their independence. the soviet union was split up and all bush had to do to promise was to stay out of their business. but we americans, the miss kravitzes of the world, violated that immediately with bill clinton and kosovo. we just can't mind our own damn business. >> mark kramer, does dave have a point? >> first of all, as elizabeth has pointed out a couple of times, in the aftermath of the cold war from the late '80s on, there's been a steady -- pretty much steady decline in the number of people killed in conflicts, the number of international conflicts going on. there's still civil wars, but still it has declined quite markedly and that do