thing that we will be doing is looking at how other organizations have solved these problems. >> chair borden: thank you, director lai. any other comments before we move on to director eaken? director eaken? >> vice-chair eaken: so, yes, just to build on director lai's great question. i want to think about building out even a lauded team to support the racial equity officer. clearly, you know, it's additional staff and staff cost money but, i guess that the request is in the context of december 1st we'll have a budget, director tumlin, a workshop conversation -- i don't know. i think that it would be worth having the conversation if we wanted to price out, like, two additional staff or something to support this person, to give them a fighting chance of success. it doesn't seem that it would break the bank to have two additional staff. so if you could run the numbers and bring that to us and something that we could all discuss. and we're all saying the right things and yet, you know, it would be a very, very tough position to just have one staff and not have a team. so i would like to have tha