. >> and what i hear chair hur saying is that this memo is consistent with the actions we took -- the discussion we had at the last meeting about this. and we would be applying that same standard; that we think that matters -- communications between the comptroller's office and ethics commission staff cannot be revealed, but that communications would be our staff. the fact of such communications and any part not restricted as a communication between ethics and comptroller can be revealed. so she is following on that interpretation. >> this is what you discussed at the october meeting? >> this was discussed at the october meeting. >> yes. >> did i say it incorrectly? >> i think you said it a little more narrowly than we decided. >> okay. >> to the extent that a communication with the controller's office relates to an investigation that is covered. so internal communications, i don't really want to make -- it's probably more accurate to rely on what we decided and said at the meeting, but with respect to internal communications what miss herrick appears to be saying here, if you redact

having the commission chair, that would be mr. hur, review the san jose city attorney's report and formed an opinion on the merits of my case before he allowed me as the complainant to provide my response or to hear the case in an open public meeting. and then mr. hur commented to deputy executive director of ethics, who reports to the ethics director, that the respondent in the two cases, is there any reason why we can't just release the san jose's analysis about why the complaint fails? no problem, next issue. you just charged right through that october 22nd hearing with all sorts of irregularities of how you conducted that hearing. no. 11, allowing chair hur, who should have recused himself because of his opinion that was on the record before the hearing began, to vote on the substantive portions involved. thus improperly providing the three required votes. >> hi. my name is paula danish and i have a serious issue with the san francisco arts commission. i have a street artist's permit and i have had a lot of problems and they have

. >> commissioner hur is excused, as is vice chair renne, he is also excused. commissioner andrews. >> here. >> and with that we have a quorum and we will proceed with the day's business. is there any public comment. are there any matters before we move ahead on the agenda? >> first up, the discussion and possible action on draft amendment, to the sunshine ordinance regulation 67.33-1 director st croix. >> expanding the number of ways that folks that have to file the sunshine ordinance declarations and the state ethics declarations currently they have to be filed at the office in paper fork. we are expanding this to allow them to send fax or e-mail or regular mail in order to safety that obligation and this will make it easier for folks to file those forms on a timely basis. additionally, we are authorizing the commission to set up a format for all electronic filing in the future. we don't have a platform for the electronic filing for these two forms yet. but we plan to at some point. as we generally are moving toward all electronic filing for the things that w