, you have three ayes. >> chair melgar: thank you. supervisor peskin, did you also move as amended? >> supervisor peskin: i will make a motion to send the item as amended with positive recommendation. >> supervisor melgar: thank you. madam clerk? >> clerk: on the motion as stated -- [roll call] >> clerk: you have three ayes. >> supervisor melgar: thank you so much, madam clerk. the motion passes. will you please call the next item? >> clerk: yes. item 3 is an ordinance amending the planning code to allow neighborhood serving social service and philanthropic facility uses in chinatown mixed use districts with conditional use authorization, change the provision for abandonment of a use that exceeds a use size maximum in chinatown mixed use districts, change the use size limit and use size maximum in the chinatown community business district, exempt institutional community uses and legacy basis restaurants in chinatown mixed use districts from use size limits, and making the appropriate findings. for those of you listening who would like

, you have three ayes. >> chair melgar: thank you. supervisor peskin, did you also move as amended? >> supervisor peskin: i will make a motion to send the item as amended with positive recommendation. >> supervisor melgar: thank you. madam clerk? >> clerk: on the motion as stated -- [roll call] >> clerk: you have three ayes. >> supervisor melgar: thank you so much, madam clerk. the motion passes. will you please call the next item? >> clerk: yes. item 3 is an ordinance amending the planning code to allow neighborhood serving social service and philanthropic facility uses in chinatown mixed use districts with conditional use authorization, change the provision for abandonment of a use that exceeds a use size maximum in chinatown mixed use districts, change the use size limit and use size maximum in the chinatown community business district, exempt institutional community uses and legacy basis restaurants in chinatown mixed use districts from use size limits, and making the appropriate findings. for those of you listening who would like

, you have three ayes. >> chair melgar: thank you. supervisor peskin, did you also move as amended? >> supervisor peskin: i will make a motion to send the item as amended with positive recommendation. >> supervisor melgar: thank you. madam clerk? >> clerk: on the motion as stated -- [roll call] >> clerk: you have three ayes. >> supervisor melgar: thank you so much, madam clerk. the motion passes. will you please call the next item? >> clerk: yes. item 3 is an ordinance amending the planning code to allow neighborhood serving social service and philanthropic facility uses in chinatown mixed use districts with conditional use authorization, change the provision for abandonment of a use that exceeds a use size maximum in chinatown mixed use districts, change the use size limit and use size maximum in the chinatown community business district, exempt institutional community uses and legacy basis restaurants in chinatown mixed use districts from use size limits, and making the appropriate findings. for those of you listening who would like

, you have three ayes. >> chair melgar: thank you. ? >> supervisor peskin: i will make a motion to send the item as amended with positive recommendation. >> supervisor melgar: thank you. madam clerk? >> clerk: on the motion as stated -- [roll call] >> clerk: you have three ayes. >> supervisor melgar: thank you so much, madam clerk. the motion passes. will you please call the next item? >> clerk: yes. item 3 is an ordinance amending the planning code to allow neighborhood serving social service and philanthropic facility uses in chinatown mixed use districts with conditional use authorization, change the provision for abandonment of a use that exceeds a use size maximum in chinatown mixed use districts, change the use size limit and use size maximum in the chinatown community business district, exempt institutional community uses and legacy basis restaurants in chinatown mixed use districts from use size limits, and making the appropriate findings. for those of you listening who would like to make public comment, dial 415-655-0001 and e

, you have three ayes. >> chair melgar: thank you. supervisor peskin, did you also move as amended? >> supervisor peskin: i will make a motion to send the item as amended with positive recommendation. >> supervisor melgar: thank you. madam clerk? >> clerk: on the motion as stated -- [roll call] >> clerk: you have three ayes. >> supervisor melgar: thank you so much, madam clerk. the motion passes. will you please call the next item? >> clerk: yes. item 3 is an ordinance amending the planning code to allow neighborhood serving social service and philanthropic facility uses in chinatown mixed use districts with conditional use authorization, change the provision for abandonment of a use that exceeds a use size maximum in chinatown mixed use districts, change the use size limit and use size maximum in the chinatown community business district, exempt institutional community uses and legacy basis restaurants in chinatown mixed use districts from use size limits, and making the appropriate findings. for those of you listening who would like

, you have three ayes. >> chair melgar: thank you. s amended? >> supervisor peskin: i will make a motion to send the item as amended with positive recommendation. >> supervisor melgar: thank you. madam clerk? >> clerk: on the motion as stated -- [roll call] >> clerk: you have three ayes. >> supervisor melgar: thank you so much, madam clerk. the motion passes. will you please call the next item? >> clerk: yes. item 3 is an ordinance amending the planning code to allow neighborhood serving social service and philanthropic facility uses in chinatown mixed use districts with conditional use authorization, change the provision for abandonment of a use that exceeds a use size maximum in chinatown mixed use districts, change the use size limit and use size maximum in the chinatown community business district, exempt institutional community uses and legacy basis restaurants in chinatown mixed use districts from use size limits, and making the appropriate findings. for those of you listening who would like to make public comment, dial 415-655-0

on the motion as made by chair melgar -- [roll call] >> clerk: you have three ayes. >> chair melgar: thank you, madam clerk. the motion passes. please call item number 1. >> clerk: item number 1 is an ordinance amending the health code, planning code, and police code to extend the sunset date for provisions governing medical khanna dismukes pencearys from december 31, 2021 to december 31, 2022, to extend the sunset date for allowing the conversion of medical cannabis dispensaries with planning commission approval to [inaudible] meg [inaudible]. >> chair melgar: thank you very much. we have tom temprano, legislative aid to supervisor mandelman. >> this ordinance will extend cannabis business permits and temporary business permits through december 31, 2022, to convert to medical cannabis use without being subjected to additional use requirements through 2022. i will run through some brief additional information on each of these items. so firstly, this ordinance will allow the health code to allow existing businesses operating under medical cannabis existing permits to continue operatin

, you have three ayes. >> chair melgar: thank you. supervisor peskin, did you also move as amended? >> supervisor peskin: i will make a motion to send the item as amended with positive recommendation. >> supervisor melgar: thank you. madam clerk? >> clerk: on the motion as stated -- [roll call] >> clerk: you have three ayes. >> supervisor melgar: thank you so much, madam clerk. the motion passes. will you please call the next item? >> clerk: yes. item 3 is an ordinance amending the planning code to allow neighborhood serving social service and philanthropic facility uses in chinatown mixed use districts with conditional use authorization, change the provision for abandonment of a use that exceeds a use size maximum in chinatown mixed use districts, change the use size limit and use size maximum in the chinatown community business district, exempt institutional community uses and legacy basis restaurants in chinatown mixed use districts from use size limits, and making the appropriate findings. for those of you listening who would like

alex westhoff who worked so hard to pull the forthcoming presentation together and thank you to chair melgar and the committee membersfor your consideration of this destination . >> chair: thank you for the thoroughness of your presentation. i'm amazed . this is the first in the soma. thank you to supervisor haney for bringing it forward. we have francis mcmillan who will weigh forth on thisitem. >> i have a presentation . >> we have granted you presenter status if you want to bring it up ... >> can you see my screen? i'm sorry. >> chair: we can see it. >> thank you. good afternoon supervisors and planning department staff. i'mpresenting historic preservation commissions designation for the eagle bar as an article 10 landmark . we recommended designation from 19 to 21. that report was prepared at senior planner westhoff's office. the eagle bar was established in its current location at 12th street. it is significant for its association with the lgbtq committee of san francisco's longest running leather bar and over the course of four decades the eagle has served as a community center for sel

and good afternoon, chair melgar, supervisor peskin and preston. and with san francisco land use coalition and i would like to thank supervisor peskin for introducing the ordinance that addresses the inequity in converting city services that are mostly used by low income and middle class residents for the benefit of the after influence of san franciscans. the landromats are used by tenants but it is not limited to affecting tenants. owners with in-use unit facilities also have to use the landromats for large size items from time to time. in my own neighborhood of nohe valley, i know of a couple, one within my own block that was closed and converted to god knows what because the windows were just covered with blinds and there is no signage. we all have a suspicion that the place has been converted to some sort of a start-up office space. from what i hear from fellow colleagues at san francisco land use coalition this, has also happened in other neighborhoods and this is a problem that affects most people of low mechanic and middle class who are tena

and good afternoon, chair melgar, supervisor peskin and preston. and with san francisco land use coalition and i would like to thank supervisor peskin for introducing the ordinance that addresses the inequity in converting city services that are mostly used by low income and middle class residents for the benefit of the after influence of san franciscans. the landromats are used by tenants but it is not limited to affecting tenants. owners with in-use unit facilities also have to use the landromats for large size items from time to time. in my own neighborhood of nohe valley, i know of a couple, one within my own block that was closed and converted to god knows what because the windows were just covered with blinds and there is no signage. we all have a suspicion that the place has been converted to some sort of a start-up office space. from what i hear from fellow colleagues at san francisco land use coalition this, has also happened in other neighborhoods and this is a problem that affects most people of low mechanic and middle class who are tena

chair: madam clerk, call the role. >> clerk: motion by supervisor peskin to recommend the item supervisor peskin .>> aye. >> clerk: supervisor preston. >> aye. >> clerk: supervisor melgar. >> chair: aye. the motion passes unanimously please call item number five . >> clerk: item 5 is a hearing on reinforcement activity policy and programming studies. they're requesting the office of short-term rentaland enforcement, planning department and rents board to report. members who wish to provide public comment call the item number on the screen . that is 415-655-0001 . the meeting id is 2497 312 0703 . then press pound, pound. if you have not done so already rests star 3 to line up to speak. the system prompt willindicate you have raised your hand . >> chair: supervisor peskin thank you for calling this important hearing. will you make remarks before we call up the presenter. >> thank you to the planning department for preparing this hearing . these are two important pieces of public policy that short-term rental piece of the public policy was the result of some rather contentious legislation that then supervisor david compos was the chief operator that i cosponsored and pas

and good afternoon, chair melgar, supervisor peskin and preston. and with san francisco land use coalition and i would like to thank supervisor peskin for introducing the ordinance that addresses the inequity in converting city services that are mostly used by low income and middle class residents for the benefit of the after influence of san franciscans. the landromats are used by tenants but it is not limited to affecting tenants. owners with in-use unit facilities also have to use the landromats for large size items from time to time. in my own neighborhood of nohe valley, i know of a couple, one within my own block that was closed and converted to god knows what because the windows were just covered with blinds and there is no signage. we all have a suspicion that the place has been converted to some sort of a start-up office space. from what i hear from fellow colleagues at san francisco land use coalition this, has also happened in other neighborhoods and this is a problem that affects most people of low mechanic and middle class who are tena

>> supervisor safai: thank you, vice chair melgar. k you so much, chair ronen, for having this hearing today. i have to say, in all my time on this board, this is the most horrendous item i've ever been a part of. when i see holes in the floors, broken windows, when i see rats, i think of my own children, children that have no voice. it's horrendous to have children come and say why are we being treated like this? i don't blame you, miss mogy. i know it predates your time at the school, and i know that you and commissioner alexander are doing everything you can to rectify the problem, and that you've only been there, and a number of others, have been there for just a short period of time. i think the position of the if a similarities prior was one of the most mismanaged positions in the entire unified school district. everybody that held that position, you know, prior to her was, you know, derelict in their duty, consistently, consistently putting off the work, getting paid an exorbitant salary and not producing for the people that nee

>> supervisor safai: thank you, vice chair melgar. k you so much, chair ronen, for having this hearing today. i have to say, in all my time on this board, this is the most horrendous item i've ever been a part of. when i see holes in the floors, broken windows, when i see rats, i think of my own children, children that have no voice. it's horrendous to have children come and say why are we being treated like this? i don't blame you, miss mogy. i know it predates your time at the school, and i know that you and commissioner alexander are doing everything you can to rectify the problem, and that you've only been there, and a number of others, have been there for just a short period of time. i think the position of the if a similarities prior was one of the most mismanaged positions in the entire unified school district. everybody that held that position, you know, prior to her was, you know, derelict in their duty, consistently, consistently putting off the work, getting paid an exorbitant salary and not producing for the people that nee

and good afternoon, chair melgar, supervisor peskin and preston.ancisco land use coalition and i would like to thank supervisor peskin for introducing the ordinance that addresses the inequity in converting city services that are mostly used by low income and middle class residents for the benefit of the after influence of san franciscans. the landromats are used by tenants but it is not limited to affecting tenants. owners with in-use unit facilities also have to use the landromats for large size items from time to time. in my own neighborhood of nohe valley, i know of a couple, one within my own block that was closed and converted to god knows what because the windows were just covered with blinds and there is no signage. we all have a suspicion that the place has been converted to some sort of a start-up office space. from what i hear from fellow colleagues at san francisco land use coalition this, has also happened in other neighborhoods and this is a problem that affects most people of low mechanic and middle class who are tenants where 64% of

thank you so much, chair peskin. >> thank you, supervisor melgar. we can duplicate the file and amend the version that will remain in committee depending on the will of this committee. i suspect that will happen. supervisor chan. >> thank you, chair peskin. i am wondering if there are things through all the things that happened and i am happy to make those motions we will be making the motion to make the clerical amendment to the original -- to the file as it current lie exists. then the motion to duplicate. that would have corrected clerical amendments on both. we will make the motion to move forward to the full board with recommendation and one to the call of the chair. i want to clarify those motions i will be making. whenever in order that you prefer, chair peskin. >> understood. >> thank you, supervisor melgar for hard work and leadership and add more chu to make this happen. >> thank you. why don't we open up for public comment. mr. clerk. >> members of the public who wish to comment on this item call 415-655-0001. meeting id24810239510. pound,

the floor is yours. >> supervisor preston: thank you, chair melgar. and we are back with another eviction item. i think the number of times that we have been on a short-term basis extending these protections is one of many indicators of how long this pandemic is dragging on. thank you for getting this on the agenda so promptly because as i'll describe a little bit, this is obviously a time sensitive matter. so on september 14th, i introduced a legislative package to extend our local moratorium on a no fault residential eviction to cover the period through the end of the year and that package included an emergency ordinance to prevent the local protections from expiring september 30th, that's what's before us today and also an ordinance to carry these protections through the end of the year which i hope we'll be in committee soon. i wanted to make sure we got the emergency protections in before the september 30th deadline. as it stands now, eviction protection both for the so-called no fault eviction and also for the nonpayment evictions are all set to

i am supervisor melgar, chair of the committee joined by vice chair supervisor dean preston and supervisor aaron peskin. the committee clerk is erica major. i would like to acknowledge the staff at sfgov for staffing this meeting. madam clerk, do you have any

i am supervisor melgar, chair of the committee joined by vice chair supervisor dean preston and supervisor aaron peskin. the committee clerk is erica major. i would like to acknowledge the staff at sfgov for staffing this meeting. madam clerk, do you have any announcements? >> the meeting note wills recognize that members participated via electronic participation and invite participation in the following ways and with the channel 26 and 78, or 99 and sfgov.org and in the public call-in number across the screen. each speaker will be allowed two minutes to speak. you can call the number on the screen 415-655-0001, meeting i.d. 2498 050 3583. that meeting i.d. number is 2498 050 3583 and press pound twice. and you will be muted and in listening mode only during discussion. when the item of interest comes up, please dial star 3 to be added to the speaker line. best practices are to call from a quiet location and speak clearly and slowly and turn down the television and radio. you may submit public comment in either of the following ways. you can email myself the land use and transportation cle

. >> supervisor preston: thank you, chair melgar. i just wanted to check, and perhaps you know or with the deputy city attorney -- or check with the deputy city attorney. are we able to discuss and vote on this without it being agendized? yeah. deputy city attorney. >> supervisor melgar: yeah. city attorney pearson, are you there? >> this is deputy city jensen, and i understand that deputy city attorney pearson had worked it out in advance and it is on the agenda although it's not involved. i knowt

. >> chair mar: it looks like supervisor melgar, did you want to -- >> supervisor melgar: if it's okay, supervisor stefani, i wanted to say a couple of words. thank you so much, chair mar, and thank you so much, supervisor stefani, for introducing this legislation, which i am very proud to cosponsor. i am a survivor of domestic violence, and i remember as a child seeing bruises on my mother. and when we emigrated to this country, not being able to speak english and financial insecurity and instability only exacerbated this problem. even though i'm not an attorney, i know what the definition of domestic violence is in my own skin. i was disappointed with the letter from the district attorney this morning because as i grew up, i can report that my family was made better through the help and intervention of community organizations that practiced restorative justice and was able to work with my family in therapeutic ways so that we could overcome this systemic toxic way of dealing with one another, but that takes an awful lot of resources and work. so prior to becoming supervisor for distr

thank you so much, chair peskin. >> thank you, supervisor melgar. we can duplicate the file and amend the version that will remain in committee depending on the will of this committee. i suspect that will happen. supervisor chan. >> thank you, chair peskin. i am wondering if there are things through all the things that happened and i am happy to make those motions we will be making the motion to make the clerical amendment to the original -- to the file as it current lie exists. then the motion to duplicate. that would have corrected clerical amendments on both. we will make the motion to move forward to the full board with recommendation and one to the call of the chair. i want to clarify those motions i will be making. whenever in order that you prefer, chair peskin. >> understood. >> thank you, supervisor melgar for hard work and leadership and add more chu to make this happen. >> thank you. why don't we open up for public comment. mr. clerk. >> members of the public who wish to comment on this item call 415-655-0001. meeting id24810239510. pound,

and, chair melgar, just a final comment if i may. you know, i think that the public comments put a fine point on the issue around outreach and i will just say that i'm regularly meeting people in my district, i'm sure you both are having a similar experience who do not know about their rights in this context. things have shifted so often with folks who are behind on rent and have lost their jobs in the pandemic and assume they therefore need to move out of their homes. i have talked to folks who are facing threats of eviction that are banned by the laws that we have passed, but they don't know that. and i think, you know, as we urge folks, obviously, you've got to talk to a tenant counselor or tenant rights attorney to really get advice on your situation, but right now as we are still trying to get out of this pandemic, folks, the first instinct really should be to try to stay in your home and to get help. one of the most common things that we hear is around the delays in the rent relief and some people are so frustrated having appli

chair. [roll call] it's been a while since i've done this. [roll call continues] melgar absent. [are call] [roll call] and one more call for commissioner chan. chan absent. ok. we have quorum. >> all right. thank you. i think you may have a public comment announcement to read. >> yes, chair. and i see that commissioner chan just popped on. so, should i just call her name? >> sure. >> commissioner chan? >> present. >> thank you. chan present. um, all right. oh, and commissioner melgar as well. commissioner melgar? >> present, thank you. >> all right. we'll all here. ok. public comment will be available for each item on this agenda via telephone by calling 415-655-0001 and, when prompted, entering access code 2485-688-4769 and then pound and pound again. once you join, you will be able to listen to the meeting as a participant. to make public comment on an item when the item is called, dial star 3 to be added to the queue to speak. do not press star 3 again or you could be removed from the queue. when the system says your line sun muted, the live operator will advise that you will

and, chair melgar, just a final comment if i may. you know, i think that the public comments put a fine point on the issue around outreach and i will just say that i'm regularly meeting people in my district, i'm sure you both are having a similar experience who do not know about their rights in this context. things have shifted so often with folks who are behind on rent and have lost their jobs in the pandemic and assume they therefore need to move out of their homes. i have talked to folks who are facing threats of eviction that are banned by the laws that we have passed, but they don't know that. and i think, you know, as we urge folks, obviously, you've got to talk to a tenant counselor or tenant rights attorney to really get advice on your situation, but right now as we are still trying to get out of this pandemic, folks, the first instinct really should be to try to stay in your home and to get help. one of the most common things that we hear is around the delays in the rent relief and some people are so frustrated having appli

give >> chair: good afternoon, this meeting will come to the order welcome to the meeting of the land use and transportation committee of the san francisco board of supervisors . i am supervisor melgar, chair of the committee joined by supervisor peskin and supervisor preston. the clerk is and become major and i'd like toacknowledge the staff and assistant tv covering and taking care of us during this meeting. madam clerk, do you have any announcements ?>> clerk: the

i am supervisor melgar, chair of the committee joined by vice chair supervisor dean preston and supervisorn. the committee clerk is erica major. i would like to acknowledge the staff at sfgov for staffing this meeting. madam clerk, do you have any announcements? >> the meeting note wills recognize that members participated via electronic participation and invite participation in the following ways and with the chn

i am the chair of the budget and finance committee matt haney we are joined by supervisor melgar replaced by supervisor mar. and i want to thank sfgov tv for broadcasting this meeting. >> clerk: yes. mr. chair. this board recognizes that public access to city service is essential and invites public participation in the following ways. public comment will be available on each item of this agenda. each speaker will be allowed two minutes to speak. opportunity to speak during public comment period are available via phone by calling (415) 655-0001. the meeting id is 24933411331 and press pound twice. when your item of interest comes up, dial star three to be added to the speaker line. the best practices are to call from a quiet location, speak clearly and slowly and turn down your television, radio, or streaming device. alternatively, you may submit public comment in either of the following ways. e-mail myself at brent.jalipa@sfgov.org. if you submit public comment it will be forwarded to the supervisors and it will be included as part of the official file. send correspondence to 1 dr. carlto

like >> chair: good afternoon, this meeting will come to the order welcome to the meeting of the land use and transportation committee of the san francisco board of supervisors . i am supervisor melgaron. the clerk is and become major and i'd like toacknowledge the staff and assistant tv covering and taking care of us during this meeting. madam clerk, do you have any announcements ?>> clerk: the minutes will reflect community

>> chair haney: we have supervisor melgar's office to present on the item. >> thank you. good morning, chair haney. legislative aide for supervisor melgar. the legislation before you allows fund to go deappropriated from district 7 fund which were voted on by the by the board of supervisors that were recently selected through our offices. a one-time initiative under district 7 family participatory program. as you know, it's a democratic process in which committee members propose projects and decide via voting process how to spend. they've been participating in this process since 2013 since norman yee launched the program. since then, projects have been funded within district 7 through the process. this past year because of the challenges of the pandemic and very limited timeline, we were not able to roll out the full participatory budgeting process which would include presentations on the process and proposals submitted and the distribution and collection, all of which historically took place in person as the best method of community engagement and outreach. however, with

i am the chair of the budget and finance committee matt haney we are joined by supervisor melgar replaced by supervisor mar. and i want to thank sfgov tv for broadcasting this meeting. >> clerk: yes. mr. chair. this board recognizes that public access to city service is essential and invites public participation in the following ways. public comment will be available on each item of this agenda. each speaker will be allowed two minutes to speak. opportunity to speak during public comment period are available via phone by calling (415) 655-0001. the meeting id is 24933411331 and press pound twice. when your item of interest comes up, dial star three to be added to the speaker line. the best practices are to call from a quiet location, speak clearly and slowly and turn down your television, radio, or streaming device. alternatively, you may submit public comment in either of the following ways. e-mail myself at brent.jalipa@sfgov.org. if you submit public comment it will be forwarded to the supervisors and it will be included as part of the official file. send correspondence to 1 dr. carlto

chair is aaron peskin. madame clerk, will you please call the roll? >> clerk: yes. commission chan? absent. >> supervisor haney: present. >> supervisor mandelman: present. >> supervisor mar: present. melgar absent. >> supervisor peskin: present. >> supervisor preston: present. ronen absent. >> supervisor safai: present. stefani absent. >> supervisor walton: present. >> quorum. >> chair mandelman: great. madame clerk, you think you have announcements. >> public comment will be available for each item on the agenda by calling 1-415-655-0001, and then prompted entering access code 2480 558 1030 ##. once you join, you will be able to participate in the meeting as a participant. to make a comment, dial star 3 to be added to queue to speak. when your two minutes are up, we'll go on to the next caller. best practices are to speak slowly, clearly and turn down radios and televisions around it. it is best to listen on the public comment line. that concludes my announcement. >> chair mandelman: that was fast. thank you, madame clerk. could you call item 2? >> i want to note it looks like commission melgar noted that she is present in the chat. item 2, final approval on first appearance. approve re

i am the chair of the budget and finance committee matt haney we are joined by supervisor melgar replaced

you, with supervisor chan, and supervisor melgar to figure out where they'll be and have a conversation with you. >> supervisor mar: okay. thank you. >> chair haney: i know that the governor put out the call to use all of the possible state land available for our response to homelessness, and i think this is an example of the sort of thing we should be doing with public land, whether it's state, local, or federal. madam clerk, can you announce the call-in information for the public? i know there were some questions about whether people had the number in the information before i open it up for public comment. >> clerk: members of the public who wish to make public comment on this item should call 415-655-0001, meeting i.d. 2483-861-3621, then press symbol pound twice. press star, three to enter the queue or raise your hand. please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted before you begin to speak. mr. chair, you're on mute. >> chair haney: we'll allow one minute for public comment. >> clerk: thank you. members of the public who wish to make public comment, please press star, three to enter the queue. for those who have already d