joining me now is congressman chaka fattah of pennsylvania and michelle cottle. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you, rev. >> congressman, let me go to you first. 3/4 of the country is opposed to the republican shutdown. how long can they drag this out? >> well, if we get a democratic president and republican congress, we seem to get shut do shutdowns. when people look at the clinton years, they don't think about shutdowns. they think about the new jobs. when they look back at the obama years, they're going to think of tens of millions of people having health care. there can be no retreat on the affordable care act, there won't be any retreat. i told your viewers a few weeks back that the president was not going to compromise on this issue. we won't. and what they've done now is taken the entire government hostage. >> how long if there's no retreat, how long can they keep in this inflexible position of a shutdown where already 72% of the public is against them. how long can they hold out like this? >> i don't believe that they can hold out fo

joining me now is congressman chaka fattah from pennsylvania and krystal ball. thank you for coming on the show. >> thanks for having us, rev. >> congressman -- >> good to be back, al. >> good to have you. congressman, let me go to you first. pretty blunt talk from the president today. let me ask you straight out. are your colleagues across the aisle finally getting the message? >> look, i think they are even though it takes a minute for it to settle in. they had some problem processing the fact that he actually got elected and re-elected. so it takes a little while, but i intend to finish my service in the congress in about ten years if my district keeps me there. and i hope we never spend another day in this kind of nonsense. we spent three weeks on nothing. getting the government open and paying our bills. the president has not spent $1 that the congress hasn't appropriated. to act as if he's the spender, all spending is authorized by the congress. we need to pay our bills. i said on your show last week that the president wasn't going to compromise. he didn't