he was one of chalabi's champions. you know, wolfowitz, fife, pearl, all them. >> tony miller.halabi, he said the other day he wasn't straight with us. >> okay. >> this is one of the first mea culpas on that i've heard yet. >> if you want to believe something, you'll believe anything. the war was sold to the public, however, as necessary to stop a mad man who was intent on, here's the key word, amassing an arsenal of weapons including nuclear weapons. let's listen to the buildup here. >> we know they have weapons of mass destruction. we know they have active programs. there isn't any debate about it. >> i believe saddam hussein presents a clear and present danger to the united states of america with his continued pursuit to acquire weapons of weapons of mass destruction and there's very little doubt he would use them. >> simply stated, there is no doubt that saddam hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. there is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us. >> the problem here is that there will always be some uncertaint

. >> that would be information supplied by ahmed chalabi.triot government. >> we talked to chalabi on multiple occasions and they were hyping the type of information they put out. >> he is so determined that he has made repeated covert attempts to get aluminum tubes from 11 different countries even after inspections resumed. >> yet again, the aluminum tubes. >> i was incredibly disappointed when he brought out the comments about the aluminum tubes. i felt detried as an american and a scientist. >> telling how iraq provided trainings in these weapons to al qaeda. fortunately, this operative is now detained and he's told his story. >> powell is referring to innen al sheikh, the same detainee they labeled a fabricator. powell takes 90 minutes to run through his persuasive litany of evidence. most of it will turn out to be at best inaccurate. >> thank you, mr. president. >> if you look at that speech in retrospect, there's a little too much of what we think and too little of what we know. that's on us as intelligence professionals. >> secretary

. >> that would be defector information supplied by the notoriously unreliable ahmed chalabi, head ofself-appointed expatriate iraqi shadow government. >> we talked to chalabi on multiple occasions and we saw that even they were hyping the type of information that they put out. >> he is so determined that he has made repeated covert attempts to acquire high specification aluminum tubes from 11 different countries, even after inspections resumed. >> yet again, the aluminum tubes. >> i was incredibly disappointed when he brought out the comments about the aluminum tubes. i felt betrayed as an american and a scientist. >> i can trace the story of a senior terrorist operative telling how iraq provided training in these weapons to al qaeda. fortunately, this operative is now detained and he's told his story. >> powell is referring to iban al sheikh al libi, the same detainee the cia labeled a fabricator. powell takes 90 minutes to run through his persuasive litany of evidence. most of it will turn out to be at best inaccurate. >> thank you, mr. president. >> if you look at that speech in r

. >> rose: there was also chalabi. when did they know he could not deliver what he said he could deliver? >> president bush soured chalab> pretty early on, and i think-- it wasn't just chalabi. there was a whole collection of -- >> buter everybody thought he ws playing one game, which was for himself. >> that's probably the case. he was very sort of suave individual who i think told a lot of the americans what theyin wanted to hear.ri >> rose: let's go to what happened in terms of the surge and look back over these years. the surge comes. it's recommended. many people are saying-- for george bush-- toay make that decision at that time when most people said it would not work, both inside and outside ofns government was a courageous decision. do you share that? >> it was a courageous decision but it was a belated decision. and what had happened was due to all these mistakes we talkedhe about, first of all, there were sectarian passions in iraq that became unleashed once saddam was gone. and the war between-- the civil wa

his name is perhaps chalabi., let's pull up the map of the area, this is hotbed of terrorism where he is from. it is to the east of libya. he clearly has been involved with terrorist groups in the past including possible acap. what do you think about the arrest whether he saw what happened or whether he was actually involved? >> this is a very positive development t has been more than six months. i was very concerned at the beginning of this investigation because you had journalists going in there, getting ambassador stevens's diary before the fbi was able to get on the ground weeks after which makes the trail very cold. hopefully, i'm just reading news reports. it is a very positive development. eastern libya is where the ref -- revolution started. it is a very volatile area. based on news reports he was very involved in these militias and hopefully this is positive development because we need to bring some people to justice. martha: you've been on this a long time. let's bring people back to that night. we have