[laughter] >> chalabi convinced? welcome i don't know that i could be convinced. when messed with, it really changes things. >> okay. >> a hand in what must be attached to somebody. >> another question? >> yes. i tried to prove to the study of classification. let's say that it did not exist. there is some kind of medical therapy that includes drugs for people who are having trouble functioning. because there are a lot of people, something they do not exist. >> what i got out of that question is in the absence of these labels, how would mental health, as we know it -- would be practice? does that sound fair? >> yes, like schizophrenia, people hearing voices, that is one thing that we are talking about people that are functioning in society and they have a range of behavioral problems that make it difficult for them. >> the question is could we function without diagnosis. the answer is yes. in fact, the therapists function all the time without diagnosis. this is the real scandal, by the way. and i speak as a therapist. the only reason that most of us use it to get p