after the invasion, chalabi became the chair of the supreme national commission for de- bathificationhe has defended his actions leading up to the invasion. --2004, he said to talk more about ahmed chalabi we are joined by andrew cockburn, his latest piece for harper's, "the long shadow of a neocon." talk about what you understand is happening in this battle right now over whether prime minister malik he will be overthrown and what role chalabi could play in this. is thenderstanding americans have made it clear in baghdad that they want malik you to go, even to the point of saying that there would be no aid of any kind, military, airstrikes, what have you, while malik he was leader of the government. they view him as the source of their troubles, which is not totally inaccurate. there is a certain irony in this because he is in power thanks to the u.s.. then ambassador to baghdad, khalil zeid, in 2006, selected maliki. he said, how would you like to become prime minister? said are you serious? again in 2010rmed when he had lost the election in the u.s. and iran -- the irony here -- ra

one of the senior sunni names we're hearing floated, and also we're hearing the name of ahmed chalabiiite being floated. if you remember, he was the name associated most with helping to pull the u.s. into that war. so see how far things have come. people don't quite know who to get into power. but one of the things i'm being told also is that the shiites are genuinely terrified still. they're very afraid that what is going to happen now is that the sunnis might think that they can again take over. >> bobby, you've worked in iraq for a long, long time. you've known maliki for a long time. do you have any belief that he is the kind of leader who can bring the country together, who can reach out to sunnis, reach out to kurds? >> no, anderson. he's had plenty of opportunities to do that. and he is doing none of it. he hasn't even been doing this in the last 72 hours when the pressure on him has been so great to do so. and it is clear that his policies are not succeeding. he hasn't showed any kind of flexibilities. at all. i've known him for a long time. i first met him long before he was

ahmed chalabi, his name has been thrown out? >> i'm not going to name a name.inister because the government -- his mandate is finished. now the new parliament has to sit and there's got to be a new package agreed upon. we need to accelerate that. and to arrive at the solution -- >> you have confidence in ahmed chalabi? >> no. i'm at the point of saying practically everybody is going to be better than maliki. mali kick must go. but we must walk away, walk back from sectarian politics. as long as we have -- you see, maliki, the problem is, he used secretaryism as a tool of his power. we need politicians who walk away from that. who use the strength of the nation, not the weakness. >> you and i have had the conversation over the years. we spoke a lot when you were the ambassador here in washington. iraqis used to be iraqis. now they're sunnis, shee united states or curds. being iraqi is sort of way -- the ethnic religious sectarian split has exploded and i'm deeply concerned, mr. ambassador, that it's not going to be fixed. it's going to go on and on and on. >> i

. >> that would be defector information supplied by the notoriously unreliable ahmed chalabi, head of congress. the self-appointed expatriate iraqi shadow government. >> we talked to chalabi on multiple occasions and we saw that even they were hyping the type of information that they put out. >> he is so determined that he has made repeated covert attempts to acquire high specification aluminum tubes from 11 different countries, even after inspections resumed. >> yet again, the aluminum tubes. >> i was incredibly disappointed when he brought out the comments about the aluminum tubes. i felt betrayed as an american and a scientist. >> i can trace the story of a senior terrorist operative telling how iraq provided training in these weapons to al qaeda. fortunately, this operative is now detained and he's told his story. >> powell is referring to ibin al sheikh al libi, the same detainee the cia labeled a fabricator. powell takes 90 minutes to run through his persuasive litany of evidence. much of it will turn out to be, at best, inaccurate. >> thank you, mr. president. >> if you look at

one of emthis, ahmad chalabi, remember the name, 2003, one of the architects of the american invasion. so you already have people who are raising their hands possibly to reblaze him. >> arwa damon is joining us. she's in erbil, iraq. arwa, both sides of this conflict, they're trying to boost their numbers right now. give us a little sense of the strategy that's unfolding. >> well, wolf, you talk about trying to boost your numbers. you have isis producing that super slick recruitment video. really impressive when you look at the production value of it. and then of course there's the very chilling statements that are being made trying to lure in various other so-called jihadis from around the world. the language being spoken, arabic and english as well, trying to really reach out to that ex-pat jihadi community. one of the people that are speaking, boasting they have fighters ranging from bangladesh, the uk. on the ground, wolf, isis also trying to continue in its effort to boost its ranks. we're hearing increasingly they are turning back to that fear strategy they've used on so many ba

>> well, i think -- chalabi. >> he was one who pushed hardest to have the sunnis and ruling party eliminated from the process. also names out there, i think there will be lot of serious discussion about that over the next file weeks. but you have to basically -- prevent country from falling apart. basically moving out on their own. they deploy their forces along that border, once kurds will protect themselves then you have questions about preserving the other two-thirds of iraq. >> their decision to make, not ours. make the mistake all the time of trying to put people where we think they belong. >> o'donnell: we'll be right back. >> o'donnell: be sure to tune in tomorrow to "cbs this morning. for more of my interview with president obama all the latest news on crisis in iraq and secretary kerry's trip to the region. bob will be back next week. thanks to all of our guests and thanks to you for watching "face the nation." creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united st

the "new york times" reporting now twice that achmed chalabi told the bush at administration that the u.s. would welcome the united states. guys, i always like to show you the newspaper. i haven't had a lot of time over the last week, but i mentioned to you how in the kurdish newspapers, they have redrawn the map of iraq. they cut and paste them from somewhere so luckily they're in english so it's very, very clear. they call tilt new iraq and they draw kurdistan here at the top bigger than it is officially. they take over a lot more provinces. another one here, similar. and baghdad is kind of left out in the cold. they're telling graphics just to give you a sense of the attitude here. >> i wonder how the situation is in kurdistan. i know you talked to us earlier in the week. when we spoke with richard engle in baghdad, he points out even though baghdad is going to be safe from a full frontal assault, what the terrorists end up doing a lot of times is sending in suicide bombers as a result. does that happen in kurdistan, too? >> the security here is so intense. and they have worked aga

i suppose the person promoting ahmad chalabi for that job is ahmed chalabi. >> professor, thank you foris morning. >> he's got a great book called "losing iraq." you should read. >> that's the book? >> yep. >> "losing iraq." >> and he's got another forthcoming book, as well. >> i like the plan. >> i think you might need to have troops. he says you don't -- >> i think he's right. to accomplish it it's going to take some american treasure and perhaps committing american lives to achieving it. >> right. >> next, the gop shake-up, what it's going to mean for wall street, and it's time to spark up the corporate tax discussion with grover, super grover norquist at 7:30 a.m. eastern time. and then it's deals and the future of the internet superhighway with former s.e.c. chairman michael powell. she keeps you on your toes. you wouldn't have it any other way. but your erectile dysfunction - it could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily

chalabi.eputy prime minister and head of the economic committee within the prime minister's office. what we were doing is changing the central economic, let's call it the central economy into a free market economy. that actually worked. with the formation of the tbi bank, trade bank of iraq, iraq was actually issuing letters of credit, which was honored by western banks and iraq was gradually going away from what actually happened in 1958, what my father actually approved of, the biggest demise in the iraqi economy was in 1958, when we changed from a free economy into very centralized economy which continued from 19578 until 2003 and we actually managed to change it into a free economy but in 2010 this is the big setback, is that the government started going back into the central economy. and most of you actually know that it is much easier to manage your population when you have a central economy because the central government will issue, will give jobs. they can hand out pieces of land. they

a couple of people, chalabi is a divisive person in iraq, to the extent that people even know him.s a person who's much better known in new conservative circles in washington than he was by the voters in iraq. these people who knew him saw him as divisive with very strong opinions and not the kind of person who reaches out. alawi speaks perfect english. he's a very easy person to deal with. he's a tough-minded person. his problem is, even though he's a shia, he doesn't really lead any shia. so he's not a shia political leader. so the idea that you put in a person whose only qualifies is that he's a shia but doesn't have any shia political formations behind him, that's a problem. now, there are other names. and i don't mean to suggest by any means that nuri al maliki is the only person who can lead that country. but the problem of coming up with a successor did bedevil the process in 2010. and i'm sure it's really what is going on behind the scenes today. >> general, there's something that a lot of people have recognized. the war in vietnam started by sending advisers there to resol