you know, i'm an education professor, so i have to have the chalkboard with, i must remember to be cheerful and obedient written over and over. >> i notice a picture of you here. >> i was in the merchant marines in 1964. i had dropped out of michigan, and i joined the merchant marines. that's my identity card. yeah, these are my three kids, now all grown. he's a teacher in oakland, california, now but that's him at about 8 years old, and he's now a playright and a teacher at columbia university. he's an author and a first-year law student at yale. this is -- oh, and this is my playright son and his wife, and she's a novelist. and a poet. the place is a little crowded because i've been here 20 years. those are my three kids. yep, those are my three kids, and that's us at our place in california that i mentioned. that's us in california. about 12 years ago, i think. several of my students have published books. this is of borders and dreams which is, was the doctoral dissertation of chris carger. this is a terrific and important book, holler if you hear me, by greg mitchie. these shelves are f