walking around and a man threw a cham pan city on me, a chimpanz chimpanzee, i was very small then. i i'm a little heavier now. but i was very small then and the chimpanzee was almost as big as i was. that was not a good day that was not a good day. >> i want to ask you a couple of things about your mother, and ask you, you were a child, really. where do you think ultimately your mother's political savvy came from? she seemed to be a very skillful manager of all of the issues that needed to be managed. to move forward in a successful way. did she have innate skills in that area? did she have, do you think it was part of -- what she had studied, historian, do you think -- do you think she had key allies who helped her debate those issues and come up with good strategies in i'm interested in your perspective on that. >> i think it was all of the above. her hobby was to read congressional records. now who reads congressional records every day? that's what she did. we have thousands of congressional records where she's underlined the high points. she knew everybody, from everybody. here