the back story of that is that at chancellorsville, the flying dutchman, the germans ran away. the corps commander of the 11th core wouldn't listen to his german supporters. they warned him that the frank was hanging out, that they needed to do something to watch that flank. they were professional soldiers and they said you have got to watch the plank. howard refused to listen. on their own initiative and a subordinate had schivnoski take two regiments from his brigade and ticket the flank. if those two regiments hadn't been waiting fair when stonewall jackson came to chancellorsville the 11th core would have been far worse. the polish legion and this 26 wisconsin stood there and they saved, they made a stand for release in our. it might've mida been two full hours but substance -- schivnoski is trying to get them back saying you've got to pull back or pick completely annihilated. he is a brave guy and he sees the confederates all around him. the german speakers will not leave and they don't want to leave their dead and wounded and they don't want to flee. finally they come bac

you can talk about chancellorsville a victory against the odds, you don't cast it i think so much as the states against the federal power as against the underdog waging a gallant fight over constitutional issues and it doesn't have anything to do with slavery especially if you pretend that robert e. lee didn't like slavery. they are brilliant about that. they don't fool the generation that wore blue uniforms. they never lost sight what if the war was about. once that generation was fadinged became more and more easy to do that and when the two most important films in our history in terms of their social impact both give a straight lost cause take on things, birth of a nation and won with the wind, no other film close to those in their impact, that's a powerful. gone with the wind affected more people's understanding of the civil war than everything all of us have done multiplied by you pick the number and put together. it's true. and ted turner loves it. >> not to mention by 1900 there were 9 million black people growing and growing. race is at the heart of how this story played out

injured three times in the war, shot in the chest, shot in the neck, ball's bluff, antietam and chancellorsville and comes out of that experience -- and went into the war as one of the maybe relatively few abolitionist officers and comes out of the war convinced that his moral passions and the moral passions of his colleagues were foolish mistakes. so it frames our moral modesty. >> the passion itself was the problem. >> that's right. but it also frames the passionate social projects that people have engaged in ever since. so the civil rights movement borrows on the language of the abolitionists. the women's rights movement of the 19th century borrows powerfully. so we have all of these social movements that organize themselves around the wolmodels abolition as the one great relatively, relatively pure example of extraordinary social reform in our country. but also we're called on to be modest at the same time by the same events. >> i want to make a quick argument arguing for why slavery is just a little different. if you look at a state like south carolina or mississippi, when you're talking ab