in the case of chandra rimes, she was pretty unhappy at disney and abc.ly provided one outlet for her, abc which is broadcast tv, which is you have a lot of rules about what you can and can't do. cursing, no nudity, you can't take a lot of political stances. chandra rimes is pretty evocative in her work and can push the boundaries of limitation -- entertainment and wanted to make shows you might see on an or netflix that wouldn't work at abc. summary like greg bramante is happy in his lane. they all want the most money they can get, and the dirty secret of those big numbers, the rsg $juicy you see -- dollas you see netflix shelling out, it is a lot of money in the front-end and very little money in the backend. it is not clear if they will make more money or less money than they would have. carol: that is 80 key point. that backend is how you that producers used to get money. whether it was reruns for years and years later, you think about tom warner in your story behind the cosby show and others. he made an awful lot of money that way. lucas: yeah. list