larry ioconi is an economist at chapman university and explained this to me.n it to our audience. >> well vnl a market phenomenon like other ones. and when you make the government the arbiter the funder of religion, it operates like a typical laszy monopoly. and incentives are lost. the clergy get focussed on pleasing the politicians. >> they just want to suck up to the king. >> at best, a combination of the american post office and public schools. >> what do you mean the united states was the first religious free market. >> it deregulated the religious market and let every religion practice freely. >> i always assumed people came here to escape religious tyranny. >> the puritans came here to escape religious tyranny, true, puritans came here to escape religious tyranny, true. but to establish their own religion. and when they got to massachusetts, they taxed people to support that religion, they persecuted other religions. so in the northeast, it was puritanism, or call van-- call van itch. elsewhere was ka catholicism. >> what changed? >> the american revolu