describe the scene in chappaqua. >> bill clinton held a meeting in chappaqua, in his private office, red barn, invited chelsea, his wife and friends, several friends, i interviewed two of the friends who were there and during that meeting, he tried to convince his wife in 2011 to challenge barack obama for the democratic nomination. he wanted her to unseat barack obama and she-- (applause) >> and she said, bill, how can i do that? i'm the secretary of state. i dine with the guy every thursday, and what about loyalty, bill? what about loyalty? and he said, loyalty, there's no such word as loyalty in politics. >> mike: unfortunately for some. >> then he went on to say that the people around obama, especially the economic people, did not know how the real world works. and that obama himself was an amateur. and that's where the title comes from. a cup of joe is a sedan. a cup of johan is a 600 horsepower sports coupe that likes to hug curves. ♪ your curves. smooth, rich, never bitter, gevalia. and he didn't stop for three days and nights as he escaped life as a child soldier. twenty year

he had somebody up at chappaqua in the clinton house with they were having a salon and people were there's pushing hillary clinton to be p. and i believe that's true. >> steve: in the last year. >> i could be wrong, but klein's talk in the opening scene seemed to me to be credible. by extension, what bill clinton is doing is he's setting up in case barak obama loses. he's setting up his cred within the democratic party. if he would go on to say i don't want obama to win, then he'll be shredded. so he's going around on the fund-raisers, but privately morris could be right. i wouldn't say he is 'cause i don't know. but he could be. >> brian: but it was two sources -- >> but their blind sources. just remember that. >> brian: had this is how strong it he feels. he named the book after what he said. he is an amateur. >> look, i'm not saying that it's not true and as i said, i think it had a whiff of authenticity. i don't like blind source. i don't use them in my books. i don't use them. i'm naming who is talking. i'm naming them. and so that's just me. >> gretchen: let's talk about wisconsin.