and even if you think i'm being biased, charitybly, even the economists are split on the issue of its stimulus was effective and you look at that and the point that dr. bob brought out, that all of this, even at best, it was a wash. costs additional 5 trillion and running up the deficit, i don't see how you can argue for more stimulus. >> well, like. the money that the president would like to direct into the economy is directed at the jobs market. things like jobs training, and more for manufacturing, and unemployment is still stubbornly above 8%, doesn't that prove we do need some help. >> look at the trend and you know, gary b talks about the facts, what facts? >> i think this really is his opinion. if you look at since the stimulus in 2009, we've gained something like 4 million jobs, so, you keep saying the facts don't, you know, support the stimulus, but in fact, it's the exact opposite and when it comes to the deficit, excuse me sh me, while i yawn here. can you find something else to get worried about? i mean, my god, you've been complaining about this for three years and the ec