charlayne hunter-gault. >> i'm glad to be following sean because he raised so many points not all of which i would like to respond to because i think most of them are things that i would have said myself. i went to south africa the first time in 1985 and at that point the regime had in fact begun secret negotiations with mandela and he always like to say he was a loyal member of the anc. i asked him in the first interview he gave after being released from prison did he see himself becoming president of south africa one day? >> said i'm a loyal member of the anc and all that depends what he had started those negotiations on his own and nobody in the anc new. when they announced the release of mandela the anc and everybody else in the world was very surprised. although they have suspected that sooner or later this was going to happen i went to south africa for the first time in 1985 when there was beginning to be -- there wasn't a great consciousness about south africa or mandela or anything else and 85 in the media was not particularly focused on south africa. so i went for the news h