jennifer why do you think that the state department refused to issue a visa for the original lawyer charles akbar when he never had problems under in the country before. only the state department knew why they didn't grant visa but one of the only conclusions you can draw is they didn't grant it because they don't want him coming here and speaking he had absolutely no problem coming to the u.s. before he started working on drones and sense that he it's become near so impossible for him to get a visa to come it's unfortunate because he's a critical voice in this debate he's one we should be engaging with and listening to and it's only when we start gauging with the human faces of this and listening to people like shazad that we can really get to the bottom of the true impact of what's going on absolutely jennifer this hearing has been a long time in the making what was the biggest challenge getting the reforms in the u.s. and were you disappointed that only five members of congress turned out for the hearing . oh i'm not sure what the biggest challenge as we've had a lot of them it's a benefit a s